EVE General Discussion

You have to remember that, at the time, Incarna was hyped to ****. It wasn't just the execution that caused outrage, it was the giant buildup leading to that execution.

I don't think the focus should ever move away from FiS or the empire building/exploration stuff.. but EVE definitely needs Incarna game play experience if EVE is ever going to appeal to a larger crowd than nerdy boys blowing stuff up. There are a lot of people like myself that don't want to be staring at a spaceship 24/7. More subscribers appealing to different game play modes means more money for CCP to be used for FiS and Incarna improvements.

I think the biggest issue was that it was pretty clear that CCP was neglecting the FiS part of EVE to work on Incarna - despite what they said about having separate development teams for it. The removal of ship spinning and the NeX store pricing just compounded the crap storm unfortunately..

I think Dust 514 has proven that an alternative game mode within the EVE universe is a viable business opportunity that people will pay for. So of course continuing Incarna development would be a good thing. Appealing to a wider group of gamers is always a good thing.

Hell, they had really been neglecting FiS for two years up until Incarna. We got graphics improvements, but no new ships, no new mechanics, and a lot of broken stuff. That expansion, and the NEX store, was the straw that broke the camels back.

What WiS needs is (more) pretty things to wear, and a shared space to emote at each other in where we can show off the 75k Aurum boots.

Predictable response. It is a common fallacy to assume that just because something has happened, it will happen again. How or why Incarna fell out of expectations has been discussed at length and, contrary to your claims, most people thought those problems can be overcome.

It's not atypical for people to fear change of any sort, and especially with eve, the community was cultivated to expect "more-of-the-same" type of expansions for a whole decade. As such, I expect WiS will be a challenge to implement. However, to give up the whole idea, just because of some vocal risk-averse individuals in the community, does not help CCP's reputation. That much is certain.

Catching up on this thread... I can respect the various opinions that I've read, but I don't understand why there is so much aversion to what would amount to basically adding another layer to this game? If a player (bittervet or otherwise) doesn't want to participate in station-based content, they certainly don't have to and they shouldn't get penalized for it. I think it's safe to assume that CCP wouldn't replace anything they already have in place as far as FiS goes, so expanding on WiS would be pure bonus content. Why the aversion to it? Would it really ruin the EVE experience? Not trying to be sarcastic here, as I know that there are those among us who have been with EVE since the beginning and have seen the game grow and evolve, but speaking as a newb, wouldn't more EVE content inline with the original experience be a good thing?

Malibu Dream House would be an awesome place to share cocktails and footwear.

That is a very good point. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Though I suppose if they had to do something with it, moving forward with more content would be the way to go. I think in the long run if the WiS content had the "right" kind of impact on the game and didn't dilute the core essence of EVE, it would most likely lure in new subscribers more that it would drive away current players and/or maybe even win over its most vocal opponents.

Guess we wait and see...

Here's the other moral quandry that many older, veteran players might be facing:

More players doesn't mean better.

If you take just 40,000 active players for a years worth of subscriptions paying at $15 a month, the company is making 7.2 mil a year. Obviously, this isn't everybody. And it's a broad, off the calc.exe guess estimate. But that's quite a bit of money for our little game.

Of course, CCP hires all these assets, coders and managers and artists and pr guys and producers, etc, etc. But in 10 years, you realize that just growing for the sake of growing doesn't give you a benefit. Money spent into CCP, and CCP develops other things along with EvE ... not just EvE like I may want.

Put more money in their pocket, and that doesn't mean EvE gets better. More honestly, that probably means EvE VR and EvE Dust and EvE PI on your Android. For a lot of vets, I understand that WiS was another part of this (and since it was before any practical show of WoD or Dust or anything else besides a card game), it had a bad impact. We realized that us spending more ... doesn't necessarily benefit us.



Then lets take the psychological issues. If you love the cold, harsh universe ... you have to defend it. You really have to fight off every horrible 'make hisec safe' and 'lets have multiple server' idea. They break what you love. So you attack any move in that direction.

If we bring in too many players, the chances of these newer types being more in that same train of thought (which many of us old bitter vets have had when we were new, before we appreciated the scale of this universe), can we fight all of them off? Or does CCP buckle?

It's a scary thought. You either don't get the attention you feel you deserve, or the thing you love gets taken from you for the sake of 'growth'.

Once your in that position looking at it, it's hard not to react irrationally.

Rather than Malibu Dream House, I would settle for Gallente Pleasure Hub complete with mild-high billboards and the ginormous Quafe Girl hologram by the landing pad.