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Can CSM Request That CCP Fix Jita

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iNfeck7ed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-09 17:53:56 UTC
Greetings to all!

As I write this, I am currently on the Jita gate in New Caldari. I, and I'm sure you can too, can recall numerous times where Jita gates are locked due to congestion, and I feel like that is a probrlem. Currently, I'm on my way to supply my PvP toon, but I cannot do that right now becuase the items I bought in Jita are locked to me.

I can accept gatecamps. I can accept denied access to stations in 0.0, but I cannot accept being locked out of Jita for non-player reasons. I'm waiting here, spamming "jump" with about 100 other capsuleers.

Don't get me wrong, especially after the last patch, I'm really happy with how the game is going. Fixing Jita I feel should be a priority for CCP because being locked out of the largest market hub in the game is not good for bussiness in my opinion.

Thanks for your time,

INfeck7ed
RawKrung
Ingenuus Sidera
#2 - 2013-06-09 18:32:26 UTC
Human is an adaptive machine. Increase servers on Jita would have the result to free access in the first days but then the system will saturate again, but this time with increased servers expence for CCP.

I think a good idea would be to set up a queue system, so we can know how many jumps we have to wait and sure will do it. I'm gonna post this in the idea forum
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#3 - 2013-06-09 18:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
There is an entire universe outside Jita like Amarr, Rens, Dodixie, Hek.


Awoid Jita in rush hours. Roll

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Citizen of Solitude
RawKrung
Ingenuus Sidera
#4 - 2013-06-09 18:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: RawKrung
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
There is an entire universe outside Jita like Amarr, Rens, Dodixie, Hek.


Awoid Jita in rush hours. Roll

I'm in FW so gall-minnie space is forbidden to me, especially with an indie full of cargo. Amarr is 10 jumps away, not much in a frig, but in indie is a little pain. In orca or freighter would be a real pita.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2013-06-09 20:28:28 UTC
RawKrung wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
There is an entire universe outside Jita like Amarr, Rens, Dodixie, Hek.


Awoid Jita in rush hours. Roll

I'm in FW so gall-minnie space is forbidden to me, especially with an indie full of cargo. Amarr is 10 jumps away, not much in a frig, but in indie is a little pain. In orca or freighter would be a real pita.

pain=10 minutes.

What a charmed life you must lead lol.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-06-09 22:12:56 UTC
RawKrung wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
There is an entire universe outside Jita like Amarr, Rens, Dodixie, Hek.


Awoid Jita in rush hours. Roll

I'm in FW so gall-minnie space is forbidden to me, especially with an indie full of cargo. Amarr is 10 jumps away, not much in a frig, but in indie is a little pain. In orca or freighter would be a real pita.


In caldari space there are also smaller hubs like Nonni, Torrinos and that other one whose name escapes me.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#7 - 2013-06-09 23:31:13 UTC
Much rather a tax that scales with the number of market placements there are in a given station. Otherwise you could delete jita off the map, and people will just move a system over, jita wasn't always the main hub.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-06-10 02:51:13 UTC
RawKrung wrote:
I think a good idea would be to set up a queue system, so we can know how many jumps we have to wait and sure will do it. I'm gonna post this in the idea forum


A queue would be great for logins. Not so sure about jump-ins though - it sounds nice, but it just makes things that much safer for autopiloters. Maybe some kind of queue that requires at-the-keyboard user input to enter?

Another idea that is far more frivolous would be a way to see if Jita is currently under traffic control or not. Might save people the trip if it's around those times where it isn't always traffic controlled but might be.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
dark heartt
#9 - 2013-06-10 03:47:26 UTC
iNfeck7ed wrote:
Greetings to all!

As I write this, I am currently on the Jita gate in New Caldari. I, and I'm sure you can too, can recall numerous times where Jita gates are locked due to congestion, and I feel like that is a probrlem. Currently, I'm on my way to supply my PvP toon, but I cannot do that right now becuase the items I bought in Jita are locked to me.

I can accept gatecamps. I can accept denied access to stations in 0.0, but I cannot accept being locked out of Jita for non-player reasons. I'm waiting here, spamming "jump" with about 100 other capsuleers.

Don't get me wrong, especially after the last patch, I'm really happy with how the game is going. Fixing Jita I feel should be a priority for CCP because being locked out of the largest market hub in the game is not good for bussiness in my opinion.

Thanks for your time,

INfeck7ed



How would you propose that CCP "fix Jita"? The problems with Jita are caused by the players not by CCP, who have done everything possible to make the Jita node more stable.

This is a quote taken from the current General Discussion "fix Jita" thread:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Nah. It's a good mix of performance and accessibility as it is.
This.

If we up the limit then Time Dilation starts to kick in more aggressively than it does now. It will with the current limit drop to 80% approx. every 15 minutes on average during peak hour.


There isn't much more that CCP can do for the time being beyond removing local for spammers, or finding a way to discourage the spammers.

So what should CCP do INfec7ed?

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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-06-10 09:33:48 UTC
'Fix Jita'

Can you please be a bit more specific? I had my cat 'fixed' but I don't think that is what you mean.

Unless it is. Are you asking that we encourage people to go to other markets? Maybe add a market tax in the high volume areas to encourage more diverse markets? Is that what you mean by fix? Neuter?

I found it fascinating that Jita in our sister server in China wound up also the major trade hub.

The spammers go where there are ears and idiots. If Jita becomes less and less populated the spammers and scammers will also move onto greener pastures. Jitas population will become self correcting.

I have said it before and I will say it again. When you ask the CSM to 'do something' try to have a specific goal or methodology in mind. Just point ing and yelling 'fix it' is right up there with the Red Queen declaring 'off with her head'. Serves nothing and usually nothing happens.

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Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Kozlack
KM Industries
#11 - 2013-06-13 07:11:15 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Much rather a tax that scales with the number of market placements there are in a given station. Otherwise you could delete jita off the map, and people will just move a system over, jita wasn't always the main hub.



You're right, it wasn't. I for one whole heartily miss the empire highway...




*grumbles*stupid faction warfare patch*grumble*

On vaction from hawk-eyeing local..... in empire

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-06-15 08:10:43 UTC
iNfeck7ed wrote:
Greetings to all!

As I write this, I am currently on the Jita gate in New Caldari. I, and I'm sure you can too, can recall numerous times where Jita gates are locked due to congestion, and I feel like that is a probrlem. Currently, I'm on my way to supply my PvP toon, but I cannot do that right now becuase the items I bought in Jita are locked to me.

I can accept gatecamps. I can accept denied access to stations in 0.0, but I cannot accept being locked out of Jita for non-player reasons. I'm waiting here, spamming "jump" with about 100 other capsuleers.

Don't get me wrong, especially after the last patch, I'm really happy with how the game is going. Fixing Jita I feel should be a priority for CCP because being locked out of the largest market hub in the game is not good for bussiness in my opinion.

Thanks for your time,

INfeck7ed


We can ask, but we'll only get the same answer that CCP have already given to this question on this very forum, which I will summarise:

Jita is already running on its own reinforced node. It's as good as its going to get. Try going to another hub like Amarr.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
BigSako
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-06-16 19:48:06 UTC
Proposal #1 - Fix for CCP:
Kick AFK people from Jita after being afk for > 15 minutes so players that are ACTIVE can actually get in.

Proposal #2 - Fix for Players:
People should start seeding systems around Jita with stuff like isotopes and minerals and other manufaturing items, as you won't get a free manufacturing slot in jita anyway and you don't need fuel in Jita en mass.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#14 - 2013-06-16 19:53:42 UTC
BigSako wrote:
Proposal #1 - Fix for CCP:
Kick AFK people from Jita after being afk for > 15 minutes so players that are ACTIVE can actually get in.

Proposal #2 - Fix for Players:
People should start seeding systems around Jita with stuff like isotopes and minerals and other manufaturing items, as you won't get a free manufacturing slot in jita anyway and you don't need fuel in Jita en mass.



AFK people in Jita don't really contribute to the load on the system.

CCP are looking at the load, when determining the level of people to allow into the system.

Thus, kicking afk people won't make a difference to the number of active people allowed in Jita, just drop the limit further.

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BigSako
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-06-16 20:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: BigSako
Steve Ronuken wrote:
BigSako wrote:
Proposal #1 - Fix for CCP:
Kick AFK people from Jita after being afk for > 15 minutes so players that are ACTIVE can actually get in.

Proposal #2 - Fix for Players:
People should start seeding systems around Jita with stuff like isotopes and minerals and other manufaturing items, as you won't get a free manufacturing slot in jita anyway and you don't need fuel in Jita en mass.



AFK people in Jita don't really contribute to the load on the system.

CCP are looking at the load, when determining the level of people to allow into the system.

Thus, kicking afk people won't make a difference to the number of active people allowed in Jita, just drop the limit further.


it makes a difference, because it feels like jita is being capped at 2055 people right now.
How on earth the 100 people that are outside station and maybe 200 people that fly between the gates can make up all the load that Jita has is beyond my knowledge.

The issue was not being allowed into Jita, therefor kicking AFK people will allow people to get into Jita instead of "waiting" on the gate (which can be bypassed easily if you have a good ping and know how to spam the jump button and press enter - which I think is another issue for high load).


edit: And by kicking AFK people, I don't necessarily mean to disconnect them from the game, but move them to a different system.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#16 - 2013-06-16 20:40:23 UTC
BigSako wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
BigSako wrote:
Proposal #1 - Fix for CCP:
Kick AFK people from Jita after being afk for > 15 minutes so players that are ACTIVE can actually get in.

Proposal #2 - Fix for Players:
People should start seeding systems around Jita with stuff like isotopes and minerals and other manufaturing items, as you won't get a free manufacturing slot in jita anyway and you don't need fuel in Jita en mass.



AFK people in Jita don't really contribute to the load on the system.

CCP are looking at the load, when determining the level of people to allow into the system.

Thus, kicking afk people won't make a difference to the number of active people allowed in Jita, just drop the limit further.


it makes a difference, because it feels like jita is being capped at 2055 people right now.
How on earth the 100 people that are outside station and maybe 200 people that fly between the gates can make up all the load that Jita has is beyond my knowledge.

The issue was not being allowed into Jita, therefor kicking AFK people will allow people to get into Jita instead of "waiting" on the gate (which can be bypassed easily if you have a good ping and know how to spam the jump button and press enter - which I think is another issue for high load).


edit: And by kicking AFK people, I don't necessarily mean to disconnect them from the game, but move them to a different system.


Have a read of http://nosygamer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/erlendur-on-jita.html

It's a collection of answers on questions about Jita, from CCP Explorer

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