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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2013-06-09 20:24:03 UTC
If you plan on flying a carrier, don't train for a tengu. If I was you I would train gallente BS to 4, train for T2 tanking and T2 sentries. If you need an interim ship a domi or many other varieties of drone boats will work. Then train your drone skills then the rest to fly the thanny.
I have use sentry carriers for running anoms and I have found them better than pirate faction BS, I have infact in angel space proved to machh users that you get better ticks with it. I used a chimera. Simple fact is a sentry carrier doesn't need to move, BS do to apply their damage properly.
I would fit 1 large shield RR to rep the sentries. Otherwise you spend a lot of time recalling and dropping them. Fit 2x sebo's, 2 x omni and 3 DDA's to any carrier and you set.
If you worried about loosing a ship in EVE, don't undock it. A carrier can be T2 fir to work well, a BS will need bling'ing to compete, which will mean it will cost more.
Fit the carrier cheaply, ie T1 rigs... sorry Rain Blink
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2013-06-10 01:03:27 UTC
I have them now, won't always be the case. and if the worst happens, lossmails are 20% less loss-y.

I wasn't kidding about "good deal" you're paying about as much for a T1 rig thanny. ... in the words of Cage Man: "Blink"

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2013-06-10 22:52:16 UTC
OP I'll take your Thanatos ownership virginity for 2B. toldya I'd give you a deal.

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-06-11 21:38:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciyrine
not sure if your poking fun or making a serious offer. I dont have 2bil and I dont know if thats a good deal. Consider me clueless
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-06-12 09:01:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
try to get an alliance hookup, I guess. to buy a thanny and fit it this way right now is 3.6B-ish. to fit one before, it was 1.8B.

had they built the thanny and the T2 rigs, it would've been maybe... 1B? 1.1B?

I'm getting them fitted up in a triage configuration, with an additional 1.1B in drones and fittings, so. a Thanatos is going to be a little pricey.

train into archons

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Zahhadune
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-06-14 19:36:22 UTC
As far as paper DPS goes both fits are going to be very similar. The biggest difference is that fighters have to fly and fly and fly. When the rats get spread out this can take a lot of time for them to fly between groups. Like some others have said, sentries rarely die, most everything is dead before it gets to you. If you are using a carrier to rat then you are probably in an alliance with fairly safe space to work in. Another difference is that with fighters you have to target the enemy ships and send the fighters to kill. With sentries you set them to aggressive and focus fire and semi afk. No need to target they just simply destroy everything. Warp in at 70 to the anom, youll be around 100km away. Rinse repeat. I get 40m ticks all day with very little work. I have another toon salvage.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-06-15 23:39:13 UTC
the thanatos is going to be the highest isk/hr though right?
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-06-16 01:38:59 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
the thanatos is going to be the highest isk/hr though right?



Not always
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-06-16 17:11:42 UTC
when is thanatos not the highest isk/hr. It has highest dps so can clear rats faster. From what I been hearing thanatos doesnt have tank problems against rats so theres no worries about dying(except to players)

So when you say not always what details can you share about that?
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-16 17:17:45 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
when is thanatos not the highest isk/hr. It has highest dps so can clear rats faster. From what I been hearing thanatos doesnt have tank problems against rats so theres no worries about dying(except to players)

So when you say not always what details can you share about that?



No carrier should ever have tank issues against rats.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-06-16 17:25:55 UTC
and thanatos has highest dps so it should clear rats fastest = highest isk/hr right? But you said not always and I have zero experience behind what Im saying so what were you thinking when you said not alwasy
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-06-16 17:31:33 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
and thanatos has highest dps so it should clear rats fastest = highest isk/hr right? But you said not always and I have zero experience behind what Im saying so what were you thinking when you said not alwasy



Thanny only has the highest DPS with FIGHTERS

Gallente Carrier Skill Bonuses:
50% bonus to Capital Shield and Armor transfer range per level
5% bonus to deployed Fighters' damage per level
Can fit Warfare Link modules
Can fit Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration modules
Can deploy 1 additional Fighter or Drone per level
200% bonus to Fighter control range


Since the advent of the drone damage amp, a sentry carrier can put more damage on more targets faster without waiting for fights to slowly plod from target to target and without the need for painters and whatnot so damage is applied.

...and if you are sentry ratting, the Archon or either of the shield carriers are arguably a better choice, they have more available lows.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-06-16 18:07:43 UTC
its not only the dps and isk/hour that make carriers viable choice. Is that the amount of isk lost when you die (at some point everyone will lose a ratting ship) after the insurace are way better than any pirate bs.

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-16 18:10:34 UTC
Annunaki soldier wrote:
its not only the dps and isk/hour that make carriers viable choice. Is that the amount of isk lost when you die (at some point everyone will lose a ratting ship) after the insurace are way better than any pirate bs.



At this point its actually debatable because the carrier hulls have went up in price so much since the drone regions got nerfed. At one point thannys were going around 800mil, they are pushing 2bil now in a lot of cases.

A year and a half ago yeah, it was actually cheaper to lose a carrier than a pimped out T3 if you factored insurance.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-06-16 18:15:00 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Annunaki soldier wrote:
its not only the dps and isk/hour that make carriers viable choice. Is that the amount of isk lost when you die (at some point everyone will lose a ratting ship) after the insurace are way better than any pirate bs.



At this point its actually debatable because the carrier hulls have went up in price so much since the drone regions got nerfed. At one point thannys were going around 800mil, they are pushing 2bil now in a lot of cases.

A year and a half ago yeah, it was actually cheaper to lose a carrier than a pimped out T3 if you factored insurance.



i agree but ccp has also upgraded the insurance money you get. Dunno how much they went today prices but it was still near 500-600k loss at prices for a hull 1.3

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-06-16 20:22:34 UTC
so youve convinced me to try a different carrier rather than thanatos. For some reason I had it in my head that thanatos had the higher DPS overall. But since thats dependant on fighters and fighters seem to be inferior to sentry drones I can look for other advantages in the other carrieres.

Archon seems to come up a lot. Why the archon?
Bibosikus
Air
#37 - 2013-06-16 20:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Bibosikus
1) Train your main to Gallente BS 5 and sentries 5 plus supporting skills
2) Train an alt to the same
3) Dual-box 2 Dominix BS, combined 1700dps with 90km optimal and 0.1 tracking, on Serp/Blood Raider Havens & Sanctums
4) Isk with little Risk.

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-06-16 21:11:12 UTC
I wont play 2 accounts. And if I did I would play 2x carrier for combined 3400dps rather than 1700
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#39 - 2013-06-16 21:14:47 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
I wont play 2 accounts. And if I did I would play 2x carrier for combined 3400dps rather than 1700


If you're using a single account, how are you planning to move your carrier around?
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#40 - 2013-06-16 21:19:56 UTC
Archon because you can fit more gank without losing tank, or even increase your scan res without losing cap.

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