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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#821 - 2011-11-07 14:32:44 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
lol, first you ask players to post how WiS could add new game content to eve and when they do, you don't want to see it and just continue with your rant. That type of reaction and attitude along with your statement about wet dreams due to WiS tears is largely viewed as a pre-teen mentality. Definitely not the actions associated with a mature adult or someone that's been playing this game since what, 2003? Yeah, right.

By the way, this is my main character. I don't hide behind a forum posting alt.



sooo, since I'm a vet, I'm legit?


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MNagy
Yo-Mama
#822 - 2011-11-07 14:54:20 UTC
Only speak for yourself...

I could care less about walking in stations.

This game is about flying spaceships, not about barbie dolls.

M.
Tristan North
The Scope
#823 - 2011-11-07 14:59:27 UTC
MNagy wrote:
Only speak for yourself...

I could care less about walking in stations.

This game is about flying spaceships, not about barbie dolls.

M.

Shut up, this game is about flying barbies.
Avila Cracko
#824 - 2011-11-07 15:08:31 UTC
ok ppl...
i read this and i dont give a damn about your "dont change anything" opinion... i want to walk.
and you that are saying... don't upgrade anything in game because my super-duper 486 PC with 66mhz in Turbo mode cant run anything... well that's your problem and world wont stop spining because of you.
and second part of "no to WiS" ppl... aka bitter vets... that think "i like it like it was 2003. and i don't want anything new because it will drove new players (aka noobs) in game and that will ruin all for me"... and ill un-sub all 99999 of my accounts and jump from bridge... well you should do that years ago...

I want that EVE and CCP prosper and give us the best experience they can make... and they can only do with new "noobs" joining the game and their real world money.

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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated
#825 - 2011-11-07 16:14:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranka Mei
Terminal Insanity wrote:

I'm sure not everyone will agree that there are any advantages to WiS, however, there are many who will enjoy WiS.

(...)

WiS will cater to people who want to identify more with their character, and dress them up, etc.

I like that you brought up the two in the same sentence, as it offers me a good opportunity to expound a bit on the matter. :)

I like role-playing games. Not the board game kind where you have to roll dice and stuff, but the modern variety, like Bioware offers in their games. And when they came with Mass Effect, I was elated: Space Sci-Fi + RPG = epic win! I spent literally hours behind their character creator, trying to come up with someone who was me. 'Playing dress-up' doesn't do it justice; because, as you say, it's about identifying with your character (the character doesn't necessarily have to resemble you, btw; often it's about 'narcissistic identification;' i.e. about how you would like to look; but I digress).

Identifying with the character you created is a conditio sine qua non in the RPG world: if you cannot identify with your avatar, immersion will not occur (not on character level, at least). That is a cardinal rule. Another one, derived from the former, is uniqueness. We're all individuals. If you can't create a unique looking avatar, immersion will again not occur (or only very superficially, like a vague notion you're a guy running around with a big gun).

That is why customizable avatars are so wickedly popular. Not because large portions of the population all of a sudden decided to behave like six-year-old girls wanting to dress up their dolls, but because Incarna offered grown-ups and kids alike the prospect of being truly immersive: on a character level as well.

When a kind of TV were invented that allowed you to be 100% immersed (picture some futuristic holographic gear or some such) people would immediately realize what a smashing hit that would be. Incarna would have been a big leap towards that reality.

So, as someone who would have loved to have immersed, deeply, I regret they dumped the project. And I therefore ask them not to axe it.

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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#826 - 2011-11-07 16:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
Mekela wrote:
We don't want a huge team working on it, we want "a team". We want it to grow. And don't give me "It can't work right now" How many MMO's are there that are face to face interaction, and your saying they can't do it on a smaller scale right now?


No... theyre saying it was meant as a beta program for WoD and now that that game is "on the back burner" so is WiS.

Avila Cracko wrote:
ok ppl...
i read this and i dont give a damn about your "dont change anything" opinion... i want to walk.
and you that are saying... don't upgrade anything in game because my super-duper 486 PC with 66mhz in Turbo mode cant run anything... well that's your problem and world wont stop spining because of you.
and second part of "no to WiS" ppl... aka bitter vets... that think "i like it like it was 2003. and i don't want anything new because it will drove new players (aka noobs) in game and that will ruin all for me"... and ill un-sub all 99999 of my accounts and jump from bridge... well you should do that years ago...

I want that EVE and CCP prosper and give us the best experience they can make... and they can only do with new "noobs" joining the game and their real world money.


Star Trek Online is that way ---> I hear its going free to play.

Dont bring that horseshit into this game unless they make it so we can kill ppl in stations.

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Tristan North
The Scope
#827 - 2011-11-07 16:47:46 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:


Star Trek Online is that way ---> I hear its going free to play.

Dont bring that horseshit into this game unless they make it so we can kill ppl in stations.


Arrogant as ****.
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#828 - 2011-11-07 16:51:02 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
ok ppl...
i read this and i dont give a damn about your "dont change anything" opinion... i want to walk.
and you that are saying... don't upgrade anything in game because my super-duper 486 PC with 66mhz in Turbo mode cant run anything... well that's your problem and world wont stop spining because of you.
and second part of "no to WiS" ppl... aka bitter vets... that think "i like it like it was 2003. and i don't want anything new because it will drove new players (aka noobs) in game and that will ruin all for me"... and ill un-sub all 99999 of my accounts and jump from bridge... well you should do that years ago...

I want that EVE and CCP prosper and give us the best experience they can make... and they can only do with new "noobs" joining the game and their real world money.


look at little princess stomping his/her feet. I am really glad you didn't get your way. just sayin

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#829 - 2011-11-07 17:05:40 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Che Biko wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
So let's talk about actual gameplay, interaction and PvP.

It seems you haven't watched "A Future Vision". Go watch it.[..]

It seems that you haven't watched neither of Loxyrider's "This is EVE" and "This is EVE II". I haven't seen space barbie in either but there is some actual social player interaction, in REAL LIFE.

I have, actually. I wonder what made think otherwise. I think you completely missed the point of the video I linked and in compensating for that you link two videos with the apparent purpose being to demonstrate that you think EVE should be 90% pew-pew...in your very own, might I add, subjective opinion.
Yeah I know, I mean here we are, all witing down our opinions. In general, opinions are subjective. Do we have to state the obvious?

Your comment about reading a novel to get the complete sci-fi universe is about as useful as me suggesting you to watch those videos you linked to get your FiS fix.
Richard Hammond II wrote:
There are links to where they told the WoD players incarna was "just a prototype" so they didnt worry that was the tech they were gonna get in their game.

I hope that you're not talking about this quote:
Quote:
Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced.

...because then you've very conveniently added the word "just".

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#830 - 2011-11-07 17:08:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
My source is SiSi, which still can't support more than 1 avatar in an area at once.
The Incarna engine is still a long, long way from being able to support gameplay. This isn't in dispute. it's a simple evident fact.

Yeah, word is they stopped working on Incarna. Why would they put something on the test server if there's no immediate need to test it?
If there is a simple indisputable evident fact, point me to it.
Ladie Harlot wrote:
That's because it's clear that this thread is 5% you and other people who really want Space Barbie and 95% people trolling you for it.

Nice troll there, I'll bite: It is clear to people who actually read this thread and count the likes that it's more like the opposite.
MNagy wrote:
Only speak for yourself...[..]This game is about flying spaceships, not about barbie dolls.

Quoted for irony.

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MNagy
Yo-Mama
#831 - 2011-11-07 17:21:47 UTC
Tristan North wrote:
MNagy wrote:
Only speak for yourself...

I could care less about walking in stations.

This game is about flying spaceships, not about barbie dolls.

M.

Shut up, this game is about flying barbies.


LOL
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated
#832 - 2011-11-07 17:41:31 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
My source is SiSi, which still can't support more than 1 avatar in an area at once.
The Incarna engine is still a long, long way from being able to support gameplay. This isn't in dispute. it's a simple evident fact.

'Fact' has a funny way of being perceived differently by different people. :)

I have a reasonably decent rig (i7 980X, GTX 580, 12G RAM). And my computer rips thru Incarna like a knife thru butter (everything maxed out @ 1920x1200). I recall some bitter lamenting -- especially from the Russian botting community - about their old video cards not being able to handle it; but I tell you, though, a modern GFX card, inside a modern PC, has no problem with Incarna whatsoever. And I have yet to see it behave buggy on me.

Ironically, I guess it's all part of the same deal: much like EVE needs to evolve, sometimes people need to upgrade their hardware too. Progress is the law eternal.

P.S. Not to start a whole sh*tstorm again over people's vid cards allegedly frying and all; but this thread is full of people saying Incarna is barely even beta, and I thought it would be a good idea to point that those with decent hardware can actually run Incarna just fine. Just sayin'.

-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#833 - 2011-11-07 17:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Luh Windan wrote:
I've worked in software for long enough (decades) to spot a failing project by now. WiS was never going to deliver anything useful before the game stagnated totally and so they killed it - so stop moaning. you ain't getting it back ...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................And as for that gameplay - what is it going to be? If it's mini-games then all the people categorised as 'care bears' won't be interested - we are all busy flying around. If it's part of the whole eve thing - how soon before people are 'ganked' in a station with a head full of expensive implants before there are endless tears on here.

Anyway I'd quit moaning - they killed it because it wasn't going to deliver anything not because of players moaning. The moaning was just a useful peg to hang it all on.


CCP didn't kill WiS. They merely placed it on the back burner for an undetermined amount of time. Meaning they could resume it within a few months or a few years. Going by CCP's track record for finishing game content, chances are it may be a few years. This thread is about asking CCP to not make the mistake of letting it sit for years.

For someone who's supposedly been working in software for decades, you seem to be rather short sighted by viewing the possible WiS game content added as either being 'one or the other' extreme instead of seeing the middle ground.

Of course if you had even bothered to read through this thread then you would have seen all the different ideas for WiS game content, some of those ideas even included FiS working with WiS.

You seem to think there's only pro-WiS moaning in this thread when in reality there's also a lot of con-WiS moaning happening. So in closing I'll restate this once again, just in case you missed it the first time, WiS has not been killed.

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Jita Alt666
#834 - 2011-11-07 19:46:29 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
WiS has not been killed.



Just been put on hold until they need to retest the engine for WOD when they decide to work on that game.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#835 - 2011-11-07 19:52:49 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
ok ppl...
i read this and i dont give a damn about your "dont change anything" opinion... i want to walk.

What is stopping you? You can log in right now and walk around a rusted out room to your heart's content.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#836 - 2011-11-07 19:54:24 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
Nice troll there, I'll bite: It is clear to people who actually read this thread and count the likes that it's more like the opposite.

Oh boy are you dumb. The "Likes" are meaningless if there is no "Don't Like" button. On top of that, CCP cares way more about people canceling their subscriptions than forum "Likes".

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mkint
#837 - 2011-11-07 19:58:20 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Luh Windan wrote:
I've worked in software for long enough (decades) to spot a failing project by now. WiS was never going to deliver anything useful before the game stagnated totally and so they killed it - so stop moaning. you ain't getting it back ...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................And as for that gameplay - what is it going to be? If it's mini-games then all the people categorised as 'care bears' won't be interested - we are all busy flying around. If it's part of the whole eve thing - how soon before people are 'ganked' in a station with a head full of expensive implants before there are endless tears on here.

Anyway I'd quit moaning - they killed it because it wasn't going to deliver anything not because of players moaning. The moaning was just a useful peg to hang it all on.


CCP didn't kill WiS. They merely placed it on the back burner for an undetermined amount of time. Meaning they could resume it within a few months or a few years. Going by CCP's track record for finishing game content, chances are it may be a few years. This thread is about asking CCP to not make the mistake of letting it sit for years.

For someone who's supposedly been working in software for decades, you seem to be rather short sighted by viewing the possible WiS game content added as either being 'one or the other' extreme instead of seeing the middle ground.

Of course if you had even bothered to read through this thread then you would have seen all the different ideas for WiS game content, some of those ideas even included FiS working with WiS.

You seem to think there's only pro-WiS moaning in this thread when in reality there's also a lot of con-WiS moaning happening. So in closing I'll restate this once again, just in case you missed it the first time, WiS has not been killed.

EVE would be a better place if WiS was allowed to sit for several years, while CCP finally got around to finishing all the expansions previous. In fact, it'd be nice if they went back and finished at least one expansion. WiS as it is now is enough to sucker in all the stupid rookies with false representation of the game. That's all it was meant to do. It's as feature complete as was ever intended. It's done. The end. Consider yourself lucky to be getting racials.

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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#838 - 2011-11-07 20:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
Tristan North wrote:
Richard Aiel wrote:


Star Trek Online is that way ---> I hear its going free to play.

Dont bring that horseshit into this game unless they make it so we can kill ppl in stations.


Arrogant as ****.



"Cool story brah"

and yet, not wrong.

So, go play that.
buh bye now

But yeah cause arrogance in EVE is SUCH a horrible thing. This crowd is SO well known for their meekness. Amirite?

Avila Cracko wrote:
ok ppl...
i read this and i dont give a damn about your "dont change anything" opinion... i want to walk.


k, turn off the computer, get up, dust off the Cheetos remains, open the door "Outside" and do it.
Gods knows you could prolly use it, I know I could.

Che Biko wrote:

...because then you've very conveniently added the word "just".



so.... in your warped interpretation, the reason they killed WiS RIGHT after killing WoD is ...what?
cooincidence?

lol what you smokin over there?

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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#839 - 2011-11-07 20:11:57 UTC
highly paid web guys -.-

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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#840 - 2011-11-07 20:16:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Deviana Sevidon
2005 player and not so bitter vet and I want to see walking station.

Walking in Stations was first shown, as a concept in March 06 and announced as something for the future in November 06. Everybody knew it was coming, if you don't like it and want to cry about space barbies feel free to do so, but the WiS threads will not go away and one day CCP will have to continue development there.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.