EVE General Discussion

I don't know anything about T3s, but I also don't see cause for concern. CCP's been very good with balancing different ships in the same type/tier separately from each other so far. There's no need to worry.

I fully support Nyancat.

whats the point of having a ship you almost need a billion isk just to fit and lose SP when destroyed when you could get a T2 wich is a lot cheaper to buy and fit and outperforms the T3.

it would make T3 the worst investment you could make since you got the risk of losing SP besides just your ship

Had a quick look and im lazy anyone feel like linking the details?

What is the OP actually referring to? Is there actually some factual basis to back up the OPs whinging, or is it simply unsubstantiated whinging as usual?

Just fly GNOSIS... no real skills needed, but if you have the skills they can be tweaked into some very solid fits and they are an order of magnitude cheaper than a T3.

I love T3's... but right now they desperately need some Fozzie luvin'.

T3's don't cost almost a billion. They cost the same or slightly less than most faction battleships, with a better tank, far better resists, all on a cruiser sized hull. They also make the best boosters by giving better bonuses, being nigh uncatchable and requiring 1bil isk worth of implants in a covops to have a chance at probing them down.
All on a shorter training cycle than it is to get into a tech2 equivalent.

If you can't see how all of that might be just a teeny tiny bit broken you're either stupid or blind.

Cost is not a balancing factor? What?

Then that must be totally why CCP increased BS mineral requirements, specifically stating so the price goes up by 40M ISK. It also must be why CCP lowered LP prices on the Navy Battlecruisers?

Cost IS a balancing factor. Deal with it.

Lets forget for a second the Command Subsystem that shouldn't even exist in the first place.

Then lets put aside the simple fact HACs are simply bad.

Lets then talk about "versatility" and advantages for using such ships with the cost and risks involved.

1-Tengu: versatility means something when it comes to dps roles with missiles and exploration, for everything else it's just plain bad

2-Loki: the second most versatile T3 boat imho, natural Tengu predator, strong recon, decent dps, overall good

3-Proteus: huge tank but reduced mobility, lacks 1 mid slot, awesome point range making it an awesome recon while still having the highest dps of all in this role but in HAC role is terrible, med rails are terrible and ranges you can hit with blasters+null are far under regular engagement envelope (25km) after TE nerf than other T3 in HAC version.

4-Legion: best version imho atm is the HAM one with huge tank and you can perma run local rep if not under neuts, a good engagement envelope with javelins, dps bonus could get a bit of love
Laser sub didn't got better but with TE nerf and other weapons changes makes it less bad of them all, still in need of a lot of love. Overall a good ship but lacks a role where it shines other than the stupid command sub.

Imho these ships are already awesome to have, they have their weaknesses and their strong points, yes I think they need a lot of love and thinking after HACs and other T2 ships revamp but we're not there yet so lets not start finding problems for something not on the table yet.

I see it all the time. It's the easiest way to move them station to station. Surely you don't suggest that someone hire a freighter/JF just to move a few extra subsystems?

Faction battleships have better DPS with enormous sigs that make them extremely vulnerable to bombers unless you're running an armor setup.

Just looking at the Tengu and Tempest Fleet Issue fits we're using right now, The Tengu has more buffer, more resists and over 70,000 more EHP. All on a hull that takes significantly less time to train into than a T2 equivalent. Also most Tech3's will run you 600mil'ish, with a few minor exceptions, mostly if you're using them as armor tanked recon ships in a fleet.

Their DPS is fine, hell the Legion could use a decent bump in the DPS department. But the Tank and training requirements need to be adjusted.