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Hyku P'tiboo
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#1 - 2013-06-15 07:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hyku P'tiboo
Hi guys,

I'm a returning player (after a 2+ year hiatus and having only 9Million SP) and I'm changing career from pirating to exploring. I've already researched the forum and the wiki and found invaluble help. I still have a few questions though :

1) are relic site harder to scan than data sites ? yesterday I've spent 45 minutes on 1 relic site including a good 30 minutes with results ranging from 74% to 74.9%.... what am I doing wrong ? I'm flying a cheetah with the appropriate support skills. FYI I scanned a data site in the same system in less than 10 minutes before going after the relic site.

2) I tried to get into a WH for fun and found sites there protected by NPCs and I can't take them with my cheetah what kind of ship should I take ? Loki ? The idea is to be able to take down the NPC and hack with the same ship. Less time consuming than going back to base to change ship to kill the NPCs and then back to the Cheetah to hack the site.

3) I often see a classification of a WH C3, C4 etc, how do I know which one I just scanned ?

4) Are DED complexes combat sites ? When I scan I see combat site/relic/ data etc. So Combat site will get me to DED complexes or have I not understood it correctly ?


Thank you guys very much for the help. I'm having tons of fun exploring so far and I did my first data site yesterday and I loved the minigame.
imbaRabbit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-15 08:23:57 UTC  |  Edited by: imbaRabbit
Hyku P'tiboo wrote:
Hi guys,

1) are relic site harder to scan than data sites ? yesterday I've spent 45 minutes on 1 relic site including a good 30 minutes with results ranging from 74% to 74.9%.... what am I doing wrong ? I'm flying a cheetah with the appropriate support skills. FYI I scanned a data site in the same system in less than 10 minutes before going after the relic site.


I had few signals which I could not scan within 30 s - 45 s. I guess you're referring to those sites. It may get hard, but you should use proper formation (I use pinpoint formation). I have all the skills to level V and I have rigs for scanner probe strength. Never had any problems to scan down the signal.

Sometimes it gets totally weird and I can't get the signal, but I think that's because sometimes I'm just not focused and/or tired. Then I just restart the probes and place them at 4 AU size and place them on the planet/celestial where the signal was at. And then with the first scan, I get ~ 23-28% and then it's easy. No clue why does this happen.

Hyku P'tiboo wrote:

2) I tried to get into a WH for fun and found sites there protected by NPCs and I can't take them with my cheetah what kind of ship should I take ? Loki ? The idea is to be able to take down the NPC and hack with the same ship. Less time consuming than going back to base to change ship to kill the NPCs and then back to the Cheetah to hack the site.


As you saw, the wormhole sites are still protected with NPCs as they're the main income from the sites. ^^ Cheetah has nothing to do against them as well ...

You can read this link up in order to see if you really want to clean wormhole sites with a Loki: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20722. It should help you out to see what you want to do and if you want to do.

Remember: sleeper salvage is what it's worth.

Hyku P'tiboo wrote:

3) I often see a classification of a WH C3, C4 etc, how do I know which one I just scanned ?


Full list of wormholes: http://www.ellatha.com/eve/wormholelist.asp.

Hyku P'tiboo wrote:

4) Are DED complexes combat sites ? When I scan I see combat site/relic/ data etc. So Combat site will get me to DED complexes or have I not understood it correctly ?


Yes, they are. Some are rated and some are not. Before you get to do some, google the combat site you've found. You may find it disturbing into going to harder DED site and getting your face rolled-over by the NPCs.

Honestly, I think you should drop the wormhole cleaning if you don't have any experience. You can get a lot more, with a lot lesser risk by just doing Data/Relic/Combat sites in LOW/NULL-sec. EDIT: if you're going to use Loki then take care on the tracking disruptor NPCs. Also, take care on the web/neut from certain sites (once again: read the site information before you go inside).
Hyku P'tiboo
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#3 - 2013-06-15 09:51:12 UTC
imbaRabbit wrote:
It may get hard, but you should use proper formation (I use pinpoint formation). I have all the skills to level V and I have rigs for scanner probe strength.

I used the pinpoint formation and even zoomed in to max to move the porbes but to no avail. Skills are Atrometrics IV, pinpointing and Acquisition at III

imbaRabbit wrote:
As you saw, the wormhole sites are still protected with NPCs as they're the main income from the sites. ^^ Cheetah has nothing to do against them as well ...

You can read this link up in order to see if you really want to clean wormhole sites with a Loki: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20722. It should help you out to see what you want to do and if you want to do.

Cheers for the link. I guess WH are not for me yet. I'll keep looking for a ship to scan and fight combat site as it can give me a change of scenery once in a while.


imbaRabbit wrote:

Thank you very much.

imbaRabbit wrote:
Honestly, I think you should drop the wormhole cleaning if you don't have any experience. You can get a lot more, with a lot lesser risk by just doing Data/Relic/Combat sites in LOW/NULL-sec.

Point taken :) I still need to find a ship the the combat sites. Well a ship that can scan and fight.

imbaRabbit wrote:
EDIT: if you're going to use Loki then take care on the tracking disruptor NPCs. Also, take care on the web/neut from certain sites (once again: read the site information before you go inside).

Thanks for the tip.

I thought about the loki because in the career path on the main site, they advertise the explorer using a Tengu. So I looked up the minmatar equivalent.

And last question : what ship would you recommend for scanning and fighting in combat site ? Or should I just switch ships ? The last solution seems a bit time consuming though.

Thanks again for your time
imbaRabbit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-06-15 11:06:24 UTC  |  Edited by: imbaRabbit
If you have drone skills , you can go for Ishtar and the Sentry drones. If not, try the Loki out and you will see how it goes. It's all about your skills, but IMHO, I like the drones the best since you don't have to worry about the ammo so you can go in some part of space and return back when you a) feel alone and got bored of it or b) you have enough in your cargo and it's time to sell stuff.

EDIT: Hopefully others can join and give you much more advices than I can.

Good luck on your journey.
Mnemosyne Gloob
#5 - 2013-06-15 11:20:16 UTC
1) There are different types of relic/data sites and some are easier, some are harder to scan. (if you put them in the bands that ppl use(d) to trawl, the prof sites are all over them)

2) Yes you need a bigger ship to do wh sites. I am not that familiar with them, but i think in C1-C2 you can make do with a normal battlecruiser. C3 will probably need more (tengu) and anything above is generally group content.

3) There are different ways to get that information. Once you are inside you can look up the system number (Jxxxxx in top left) for instance here.
If you are at the wormhole you can show info on it: 'leads to' unknown means C1-3, dangerous unknown C4-5 and deadly unknown C6.
If the wormhole is not a k162, the type will also tell you where it goes - look up here.
And last, the actual colour of the wormhole can be used to identify where it leads.

4) Yes DED complexes show up as combat sites. Apart from the name, you will know you have found one when you initiate warp and get a popup message that warns you of 'danger' and also tells you the DED rating.
Hyku P'tiboo
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#6 - 2013-06-15 13:05:46 UTC
Thanks to both of you.

The info is invaluable. I'll try to choose a ship and make a plan accordingly.
Hyku P'tiboo
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#7 - 2013-06-16 07:00:29 UTC
I've made progress last night. I'm scanning down sites faster, I'm kinda proud :)

One more question though but it's rather about the fitting itslef.
I fitted my cheetah with a warp core stabilizer (Meta 4) and inertia stab (meta 4) in order to get out as quickly as possible as I have no offensive capabilities on my cheetah. With this I still got pinned down and destroyed last night when in the relic site. I was surprised that I could neither warp out (I tried to as soons as I saw them on the overviwe) nor could I use my MWD at all. I got jumped by a probe and a drake.

Yes I did check local and D-scan but I thought (wrongly it appears) that the warp core stab will allow me to escape since my frig is small and agile. My conclusion is that the warp core stab are useless or maybe I should put 2 of them ?

Any ideas guys ?
imbaRabbit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-06-16 08:17:37 UTC  |  Edited by: imbaRabbit
I never fit the warp core stabilizer. I never fit the extra HP. And why is that so? Because if someone gets you scrammed and webbed, you're dead anyway. I had a buzzard with double scram because I know that some explorers will fit at least two warp-core stabs, and some will go even for three. So, basically, scram negates one warp-core stab but it does not negate two warp-core stabs. Hence the second scram will give me 4 scram strength, while even if you have 3 warp-core stabs, it'll still be stronger. The drake either had one scram and you had one warp-core stab (EDIT: the Drake didn't even touch you; the Probe had a scram fit, hence you can not use micro-warpdrive or warp away with only one warp-core stab).

This is what I've repeated numerous times for every single explorer: if you see someone in local, don't do sites because they might be pre-scanned. Directional scan will not help you because they will not drop any probes in space. The system is silly, because it's even easier to find people inside the space if they're doing sites. I can remember I had a system with 6 Data sites and 1 Relic site but I found a guy instantly. How? If you turn on your interface, you will see where signals are. If you do one directional scanner (360 degrees) and see covert-ops on it, then he's maybe doing one of the sites. Just lower the directional scanner to 30 degrees and look at the red points in the space. Simple as that.

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Check your overview! I have no clue if that probe was cloaked or not, but if it was then he was using some kind of Prototype cloaking device which means that you had plenty of time to cycle micro-warpdrive, and then cloak your ship. If he came later on, you still had enough time, because you would see a guy on grid before he can even lock you. You should again cycle micro-warpdrive once and cloak. Whenever you approach can, check out the surrounding of a can so you know towards where you're going to "run" if someone comes on grid.

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Set up your windows in a way where your eye will not get tired. Place the overview above/below the directional scanner so you have everything on one side. Place the local list on the same side as well.

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Last thing about fitting: I would never fit warp-core stab. I would fit something for speed and agility. It'll save you a lot more times than having the warp core stabs. And that's why I like Cheetah before any other covert-ops (e.g. Helios).
Hyku P'tiboo
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#9 - 2013-06-16 09:21:43 UTC
Thanks again for your insight. God do I have a lot to learn still Smile

I guess I might have been too much absorbed by the hacking game and clicking the cans than paying attention to the overwivew.

I'll keep the scanning trick in mind to help know if someone is there.

I guess I must have been too impatient. After all I had scanned down about 20 sites in different sectors and only found that one relic site, all others were WH or combat site. I saw the probes on the overview but thought it to be another explorer so didn't worry too much. I guess I should have worried more.

Lesson learned.

Thanks imbaRabbit