Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Many ships seem to have a random developer slapped on there description with little regard to what the what the lore of the developer is.
Here is a list of the developer and a brief description of the philosophy of their ships.

Amarr T2 Developer

• Carthum Conglomerate
Carthum ships are the very embodiment of the Amarrian warfare philosophy. Possessing sturdy armor and advanced weapon system they provide a nice mix of offence and defence.

• Khanid Innovation
Constantly striving to combine the best of two worlds, Khanid Innovation have utilized their Caldari connections to such an extent that the Kingdom's ships now possess the most advanced missile systems outside Caldari space, as well as fairly robust electronics systems.

• Viziam
Viziam ships are quite possibly the most durable ships money can buy. Their armor is second to none and that, combined with superior shields, makes them hard nuts to crack. Of course this does mean they are rather slow and possess somewhat more limited weapons and electronics options.

Caldari T2 Developer

• Lai Dai
Lai Dai have always favored a balanced approach to their mix of on-board systems, leading to a line-up of versatile ships but providing very little in terms of tactical specialization.

• Ishukone
Most of the recent designs off their assembly line have provided for a combination that the Ishukone name is becoming known for: great long-range capabilities and shield systems unmatched anywhere else.

• Kaalakiota
As befits one of the largest weapons manufacturers in the known world, Kaalakiota's ships are very combat focused. Favoring the traditional Caldari combat strategy, they are designed around a substantial number of weapons systems, especially missile launchers. However, they have rather weak armor and structure, relying more on shields for protection.

Gallente T2 Developer

• CreoDron
As the largest drone developer and manufacturer in space, CreoDron has a vested interest in drone carriers. While sacrificing relatively little in the way of defensive capability, their ships can chew their way through surprisingly strong opponents - provided, of course, that the pilot uses top-of-the-line CreoDron drones.

• Roden Shipyards
Unlike most Gallente ship manufacturers, Roden Shipyards tend to favor missiles over drones and their ships generaly possess stronger armor. Their electronics capacity, however, tends to be weaker than ships from their competitors.

• Duvolle Labs
Duvolle labs manufactures sturdy ships with a good mix of offensive and defensive capacities. Since its foremost manufacturer of Particle Blasters its ships tend to favor turrets and thus have somewhat higher power output than normal.

Minmatar T2 Developer

• Thukker Mix
The Thukkers generally favor speed and offensive power over defensive capability. While many of them could be said to lack technological innovation, Thukker Mix vessels are invariably the swiftest and most agile of their kind.

• Boundless Creation
Boundless Creation's ships are based on the Brutor tribe's philosophy of warfare: simply fit as much firepower onto your ship as possible. Defense systems and electronics arrays therefore take a back seat to sheer annihilative potential.

• Core Complexion Inc.
Core Complexion's ships are unusual in that they favor electronics and defense over the "Lots of guns" approach traditionally favored by the Minmatar.

Viziam ships have limited weapons and electronics options, and yet... every cloaky Amarr ship is Viziam. There are laser ships and missile ships, the latter of which also has bombs.

... right. Viziam confuses me when I try to assign how ships ought to be. Especially when it overlaps so much with Carthum.

The gallente frigates are just a drop compared the number of ships that are off, I am most familiar with gallente ships so if anyone knows about other races please post them.

I will admit that if there is one it evades me completely.

Game balance > fluff

From an Amarrian perspective:

Carthum = Lazors. No, seriously. Carthum have that beautiful sense that everything they do is almost pure laser damage, with more damage to add in. They of course get an armor bonus, but it's a balance between resists and buffer, meaning they don't particularly stand out compared to the other manufacturers. But in general, a red/gold color scheme, laser and armor bonuses or double laser bonuses, and fewer mid slots but an even amount of high and low slots.

Khanid = Missiles. Missile focus and bonus, with electronic warfare as a side note. Armor receives no bonus, but the ships do get good natural resists on both armor and shields, and slot layout means Khanid ships are capable of being shield tanked if necessary. Dark black color scheme, these ships have a fairly even slot layout, with fewer high-slots than either of the other two producers but even low and mid.

Viziam = Armor. These ships aren't weapon focused, and could more particularly be drone boats or split-weapon ships that allow players to go either way and not sacrifice bonuses. However, above all Armor is the key. The best tanks in the game, and the most low slots of any Amarr ships, with even mids and highs. Far greater buffer tank than Carthum. Green and lime-green color scheme, these ships are meant to be role-specific tanks with a jack-of-all trades take on weapons.



In my opinion, of the T2 ships, ewar ships and recon's should fall into Khanid's domain, including the Black Ops. Each should start with a missile bonus, and secondary bonuses should be in relation to the races ewar, while balancing the ships with good mid slots. Again, focusing on ewar and missiles.

The gank ships, specifically the AF's and HAC's and one of the command ships, should be focused on Carthum. Their outright laser DPS bonus, sometimes with dual weapon bonuses, give them the edge on applying damage. Again, focusing on lasers and damage application.

The tank and role ships, such as the HIC's, Logi's and the other command ship, should be focused on Viziam. They are so very centered on their armor and toughness anyhow, with weapons taking a back seat to their roles on the battlefield. Again, focusing on tanks, with high-slots a free-for-all on weapon/utility choice.



With many of the Amarr ships currently in the field, it would be easier to simply change their color scheme and fluff text than actually to try and put them in line with my opinion on manufacturer. IF the ship is more focused on tanking, paint it green and slap Viziam on it instead (even if I personally hate those colors). Better than losing the capabilities of the ship and it's current role in the battlefield.

Fewer Armageddon like rewrites.

Thank you Ruze for the amarr developer information. Now just need someone with knowledge and experience of Caldari and Minmatar ships to post about there developers.

Again another ship that is built by Roden Shipyards that has more hybrid turret bonuses than missile bonuses.

I strongly disagree. No one needs manufacturer-boni or ships following a corporation description to the letter. It would be nothing but a limitation.

On another note, most important is how our pixelspaceships interact with each other. Just cause you're flying a different brand doesn't mean the ship has te be exactly like your interpretation.
Most people that already have a reason to be concernd about ship balancing are pvp-ers. I guess, exclusively. Cause for pvp, you chose one ship to defeat another. Altering balance for the sake of your eyes is less pressing.

About that fluff: I really like this game. And all I know about angels is... they drop gist-modules. All I know about Amarr is... prices are higher than Jita. There surely are people interested in Fluff, but at least amongst those pvp-people I know, no one gives a ****.

I really get the impression you were trying to be insulting and/or dismissive. You're just a CSM, nothing more. You're welcome to your opinions and you're welcome to express them. Fortunately, there's room in the sandbox for people who don't care about fluff as well as room for the people who enjoy it. A lot of highsec dwellers, at least the ones who aren't miners or bots, tend to be interested in the "fluff". You remember who those people are, right? Maybe not.

Perhaps when you go to Iceland, someone in the Community Relations department at CCP can give you a quick crash course over lunch in how to not come across as a condescending jerk.