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Much Ado About AFK Cloaking

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Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-06-15 07:59:45 UTC
Kraal Utrecht wrote:
I have heard from experienced players that everything in EVE can be countered either with proper fit or players experience or mix of both... except cloak-campers.

You can't counter a guy that's not doing anything.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#42 - 2013-06-15 09:12:07 UTC
Kraal Utrecht wrote:
I have heard from experienced players that everything in EVE can be countered either with proper fit or players experience or mix of both... except cloak-campers.
Well what is there to counter? How exactly are they bothering you?

At this point I'd normally ask which mechanic are they using, but I really can't be bothered. It's local that's showing them and causing you problems. So you do have options.

    1. Stop using it.
    2. Stop misreading the instant intel it's giving.
    3. Understand that you live in null and be prepared for PvP all the time.
    4. Understand that just as you use local to help you, others will try and use it against you.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#43 - 2013-06-15 10:43:03 UTC
Kraal Utrecht wrote:
I have heard from experienced players that everything in EVE can be countered either with proper fit or players experience or mix of both... except cloak-campers.


show me how I can counter docking. Or being listed in local.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#44 - 2013-06-15 11:43:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
Kraal Utrecht wrote:
I have heard from experienced players that everything in EVE can be countered either with proper fit or players experience or mix of both... except cloak-campers.



Cloacking (and covert cyno) IS the counter.

It's the counter to the ease to secure systems in sov 0.0, the counter to local intel, bubbles, blobs, gate camps and so on. Is the only tool actually saving some interaction for those people, to prevent those system to become istanced areas, emarginated and playing a totally separated game.

In the current settings if you nerf cloacks in any way you remove the only chance to generate some risk in those systems, creating 100% safe areas.

You also remove any chance for small groups to harm larger ones.

This is stupid and boring for the game and is unfair. No, not unfair in respect of your potential gankers, is unfair in respect of other players doing used to get mor risks In ANY other area of New Eden.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#45 - 2013-06-15 13:40:25 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
Did I not mention that intenet forum space nerds will start to whine "not this, this one again, it's not broken" and so on? Twisted

Wow.... ad hominem atttacks for the win.

Do we get T-shirts saying "intenet forum space nerds" too?

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#46 - 2013-06-16 01:19:14 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
Did I not mention that intenet forum space nerds will start to whine "AFK cloaking is broken" and so on? Twisted


Fixed it for you!!
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-06-16 04:03:01 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Quote:
“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave


While I agree with the sentiment expressed in the above quote, it is unfortunately, apocryphal.


The entire point is that it's apocryphal. It's not something CCP should need to express.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#48 - 2013-06-16 04:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Teckos Pech wrote:
Quote:
“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave


While I agree with the sentiment expressed in the above quote, it is unfortunately, apocryphal.


I wish we could somehow summon CCP Soundwave to certify the veracity of that statement publicly - not because I doubt it, but because it seems to be so desperately needed before people will begin to understand that CCP feels this way. Sadly, he's extraordinarily busy all the time and so this is a very impossible proposition. Maybe Fozzie can drop in and vouch for it instead.

That being said, I suppose this means there are (as we have long suspected) vast swaths of nullsec currently inhabited by people who indeed have no business playing EVE. Maybe some of them can leave and I can move out to null for the summer months.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-06-16 08:19:24 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Quote:
“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave


While I agree with the sentiment expressed in the above quote, it is unfortunately, apocryphal.


I wish we could somehow summon CCP Soundwave to certify the veracity of that statement publicly - not because I doubt it, but because it seems to be so desperately needed before people will begin to understand that CCP feels this way. Sadly, he's extraordinarily busy all the time and so this is a very impossible proposition. Maybe Fozzie can drop in and vouch for it instead.

That being said, I suppose this means there are (as we have long suspected) vast swaths of nullsec currently inhabited by people who indeed have no business playing EVE. Maybe some of them can leave and I can move out to null for the summer months.


Lol, I love that quote, also it's not that hard to look up the source. I'll let you find it on your own.

OP, what if the cloaker just wants to hang out with you guys, but every time he would fly into your area without a cloak you would shoot him. Like an extremely annoying and socially inept little brother, the AFK Cloaker just wants to be cool like you and your 0.0 rental space!

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2013-06-16 11:20:43 UTC
I wish CCP stickied a big rule thread about "how to post an AFK cloaking thread"

- Ensure you have proper experience in flying stealthy ships and hunting for targets.
- Ensure you understand the general rules of EVE

Before anyone speaks about how hard his life is as an anom-running carebear in a Vindicator or Kronos or Mach, gorged on ISK he should pack his hump into a proper hunter ship and go out to find targets for his gang. Then successfully tackle the prey and kill it.

You fly billion-worth pinatas? Well, faction modules/ships are here to be used and offer a nice advantage. Hell, if your setup is that amazingly good you can probably afford to lose it.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#51 - 2013-06-16 15:22:27 UTC
Still a very entertaining subject. Keep up the 'cloaking is OP' fight!! I'm loving it.

Still puzzled as to why null sex is so full of carebears...
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#52 - 2013-06-16 15:31:20 UTC
Onomerous wrote:
Still a very entertaining subject. Keep up the 'cloaking is OP' fight!! I'm loving it.

Still puzzled as to why null sex is so full of carebears...

I think I know the answer, but I am not happy about it.

They figured out how to operate with trivial risk.
By planning ahead, they join a renter corp and go into a system that has low enough traffic. Not rare in null.
They then use local to avoid all non blue contact.

The mechanics are simple, and they have no more risk than in high sec.

They then get to play in the "Cool Part" of town, while nose diving the rewards indexes for the real null dwellers.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2013-06-16 19:14:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Kraal Utrecht wrote:
I have heard from experienced players that everything in EVE can be countered either with proper fit or players experience or mix of both... except cloak-campers.


Wrong. Your lack of imagination is the problem. Here is a hint: rat with 3-5 friends. That cloaky will remain cloaked even if he is not AFK. You can also scout surrounding systems in range of a BLOPs or a Titan to ensure the possibility of a hot drop is minimal.

It is your problem that you are either lazy or not thinking up these counters on your own.

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Bakuhz
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2013-06-16 22:26:38 UTC
and yet again a the dangerous AFK cloaky stop posting ccp is not going to change anything on this.
cloaks work fine and cloaky ships in general are squishy as hell.
it wont take a pack of attack dogs to destroy it.

learn the game machanics and adapt some capsuleers have made nice counters for this and it can be quite exciting to try to break through those actions taken for cloakers.

i personally love the fact a single stealth bomber scares the nullbears so easy.



https://zkillboard.com/character/584042527/
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#55 - 2013-06-16 23:08:33 UTC
Bakuhz wrote:
and yet again a the dangerous AFK cloaky stop posting ccp is not going to change anything on this.
cloaks work fine and cloaky ships in general are squishy as hell.
it wont take a pack of attack dogs to destroy it.

learn the game machanics and adapt some capsuleers have made nice counters for this and it can be quite exciting to try to break through those actions taken for cloakers.

i personally love the fact a single stealth bomber scares the nullbears so easy.

Oh, you don't even need a cloak.

So long as they can't find you, they will assume you are backed by a titan with a full fleet of veteran PvP ninjas who are ready in moments to bridge over and execute any foolish enough to undock.

You could be flying a shuttle in reality.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Black Dranzer
#56 - 2013-06-16 23:23:47 UTC
Somebody in this thread probably wrote:
An AFK cloaker is completely harmless.

So is a pilot in a pod or a shuttle, but we're still allowed to hunt and kill them.

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Bakuhz
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#57 - 2013-06-16 23:46:38 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Bakuhz wrote:
and yet again a the dangerous AFK cloaky stop posting ccp is not going to change anything on this.
cloaks work fine and cloaky ships in general are squishy as hell.
it wont take a pack of attack dogs to destroy it.

learn the game machanics and adapt some capsuleers have made nice counters for this and it can be quite exciting to try to break through those actions taken for cloakers.

i personally love the fact a single stealth bomber scares the nullbears so easy.

Oh, you don't even need a cloak.

So long as they can't find you, they will assume you are backed by a titan with a full fleet of veteran PvP ninjas who are ready in moments to bridge over and execute any foolish enough to undock.

You could be flying a shuttle in reality.


the bad part of this is it is so true

https://zkillboard.com/character/584042527/
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#58 - 2013-06-16 23:53:57 UTC
The sad part of this is that these same nullbears who fly away in terror as soon as a neutral comes into the system are the ones who disdainfully look down on highsec dwellers with contempt, even if those highsec dwellers venture into lowsec all the time for things - especially in ships that can't possibly fight back.

Hypocrisy is so tragic.
Udonor
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-06-17 00:16:27 UTC
#1 If they are part of a corp - just wardec their corp in retaliation. You can see their info in local even cloaked can't you? Not play ing null much lately so I forget (why remember what CCP can change at whim?)

#2 pretty sure any DT requires them to logon and recloak.


#3 simpler to just have CCP add a chance of random space junk decloaking ship.



#4 Or add a ship something like a minesweeper...where this extremely slow (especially to warp) ship drags a net of decloak threshold sized junk held in place by special tractors. Have the net be 5000km radius from ship and move 85m/s so it can sweep most active grains of EVE space in 10 minutes. LOL then if you truly have the population to claim sovereignty ...your grand minesweeping fleet of 1000 claoksweepers have a fair chance hitting most cloaky ships eventually (might take a week or more).

Got to be some variation of that requires "would be owners" to exert real effort of a lot of members to claim disputed sovereignty. Otherwise single player should be able to mess you up. EVE is all about spoilers scams and underhanded tricks. Destruction and frustation of builders is the real point of this game. just like RL. ROFLAMO
Bakuhz
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2013-06-17 00:32:25 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
The sad part of this is that these same nullbears who fly away in terror as soon as a neutral comes into the system are the ones who disdainfully look down on highsec dwellers with contempt, even if those highsec dwellers venture into lowsec all the time for things - especially in ships that can't possibly fight back.

Hypocrisy is so tragic.


well 0.0 is the savest part of eve
the most dangerous HI-sec
low-sec i call home

https://zkillboard.com/character/584042527/