Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not sure what I had just read there. Please point me to where there was one complete sentence. Dumb post along with dumb logic!

I think you what you did here is just counter your own arguments. Basically if i for example someone fights in 24th crusade(just an example) AND HE WANTS JUST PEW PEW and just PVP. After all you said game should be about pvp and fun. Then why he is forced to buy from damn PVE industrials. He should be able to get his guns from 24th store. This player should have his damn right to actually **** on industrials all the time. But no he is directly connected to what those risk awerse players do, what prices they set. If he could buy GOOD enough guns from his own faction store. Then it would be good, not the other way.

You are trying to say game should be balanced about PVP, but in fact you support PVE over PVP all the way.

Don't fool yourself guys, a big part of ship cost is in guns/ammo/drones. And as now it's that there IS NO option among weapons - its either T2 or ... nothing. With ammo it's diffrent story but not much better tbh. It's still often better (scorch for example). Drones ? Another bullshit. Since when Gallente Federation cannot produce superior drones to ordinary T2 hobgoblins ? I though they are best drone race around (maybe after Rogue Drones lol). Atm some random industrial guy can outdo best Federation Navy work in some random deep in ass industrial station.

Hell yeah work as intended...

If you noticed, I previously said that in order to get said benefits from the faction guns either the skill requirements would be changed or you wouldn't get the benefits without the skills. Please take you childish declarations of Apocalypse Now elsewhere.

the bottleneck is not the drop rate but which tags are required for which things. Large guns require the same tags as medium guns and small guns require the same tags as the universally useable modules such as sensor boosters and tracking computers.

were they adjusted to require tags specific to the module "size" faction weapons would become more common and the price would drop.

some modules like armor and shield resistance boosters dont have a size and thus ought to require more specialized tags or tags separate from the weapons and classed modules.

reducing the tag numbers required for redemption would do some of the same thing, but would only lower the prices for universal modules and not the specialized ones.

No thats not true. Many Faction things are universally better than their T2 counterparts. You can easily spot those items: they are used. Faction invulns, faction ballistics, faction reppers, faction adaptive nano membrane, the list is pretty long. How can you say the ultimate goal of faction stuff is easier fitting when all of these modules exist? It seems that the modules that are ONLY better for their fitting and are indeed worse in the actual specialty of that module, are hardly used at all. I point again to caldari navy heavy missile launchers. In order to be used the wepons have to be better at their jobs than T2 because T2 is cheeper.

Why shouldn't they be better than T2? They cost 60 million a pop. for 60x the price of a T2 weapon, I should have all the capabilities of a T2 weapon. The fact is, that without the flexibility of using ammunition types like fury and scorch faction weapons are overall worse than T2 so there is no purpose to them. They need to do significantly more DPS to the point where it makes sense to invest money in them. I am having a hard time understanding how people keep saying the faction weapons are good for fitting. No proffesional fits use faction weapons. It is very unusual for someone to go for less dps just for ease of fitting. All staple fits are pretty much based around fitting T2 weapons. Its the other modules such as invuln's, BCU's , PDU. that are fit as faction modules. Because in addition to being easier on fitting, they are better People fit faction weapons in a pinch (and only people with tons of cash to burn for that matter) No standard fit will have you using faction weapons but many will have you use faction BCU's.

Meta 4 guns don't cost as much as faction guns. As a result they see slightly more use than faction guns, which is to say still hardly any.

Still i think that CCP should bring new faction's weapons and ammo skills. And faction weapons will be slightly boosted, without interference with T2 stuff. Important note, unlike T2 those new faction skills will give bonuses, but not be prequirements.
In this case we will have this two different groups of weapons
T2 will have T2, faction, T1 ammo, their existing specialisation skills and lower price
Faction weapons with faction and T1 ammo, new specialisation skills, greater effiency and price

This situation is not fixed. With all other relevant skills at lv5 the faction gun will have higher dps than the T2 version until you reach lv3 in that weapon's specialisation skill after which the T2 gun will have the higher dps - this applies to the close range ammo. Long range T2 ammo is a different matter altogether and arguably far too powerful compared to the T1 medium to long range variations.

Not sure about faction weapon themselves but cosmos weapons having high skill requirements and being able to use T2 ammo would be an option to upgrade for those who already maxed weapons on a given ship but are unwilling to shell out 7 bill per gun for an officer fit, you know a middle ground.