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CCP Soundwave seems to think an apple really is an orange
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#21 - 2011-11-07 14:37:38 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Tedril Goveko wrote:
Not really apples and oranges to be honest, although he states free to play games, i think he knows and many others do that there are also games out there which are subscriiption based with a vanity style store tacked on that work very well, star trek online being one of them. The difference between them and what CCP tried to do is simple.



  1. Vanity items are very cheap to buy, in some case mere pennies.
  2. The items are only vanity they're not needed items.
  3. They have aq large selection of items which are added to regularly.
  4. They have a "finnished" walking around engine so people can actually view your vanity items.


I've always felt that if CCP folowed these simple rules in the first place this would never have gotten the enormous negative reaction they did.

Granted, it's all about making money, but what's better?

Expensive limted amounts of items that only a few people will buy,
or
lots of small cheap ticket items that a huge amount of people will buy?

Why do you think pound/dollar stores are so common nowdays? It's because they make money hand over fist selling lots of cheap items all the time instead of one or two expensive items now and again. This business model could easily be used by CCP to make the NEX store popular.



4 accounts, 5500 free aura on each, none used.

Don't care how cheap that **** is. In the end, **** is ****, the price doesn't matter.

saying that I was one that never cared too much about the store. It was and is purely for dumbass's who want some extra connection to there toon. Fine by me, I thought people made way to much of it and if you're against it or just dont care, the best way to show that is to just leave your aura sat in your wallet collecting dust.

After that, what does it matter? If someone wants to spend a Billion isk on an ugly eye piece, then let them. As for what soundwave said, god I really dont care at this point. Walking in station overheats everything too much to use anyway so until thats fixed does it matter if they add to it? Not to me, so I really don't care.


Want a connection to the way your avatar looks?

Lets have a complicated exploration/manufacture system that means if you wanted to dress up with a super rare blood raider bikini you'd have to run missions in cosmos, trade parts on the market, explore for rare fabrics / invent blueprints and fund planetary factories to produce this rare stuff. When you wear that bikini it says "I put some effort into aquiring this thing" ... not

"I clicked a button on the damn NeX store"

Nothing that will ever be sold in the NeX store can ever be unique or impressive because anyone with a credit card to buy an unlimited number of them.

Eve is a game where truly impressive rare things are rare because they take a lot of time and effort to construct.




I don't disagree with you with you to the extend that rare is rare for a reason and that reason should be kept. I just don't actually care, if 10,000 people wanna pay 40 bucks for a common dress or shoes.

I dont envision me actually every using my aura, unless ccp give out so much free aura I can actually get a monofagwear, at which point I would have enough for 4. This would of course mean CCP would have basiclly given me (think they are 1.4b) 5.6Billiion isk for free. Which is nice for me, so people earning everyone free aura, for sure keep it up. but outside of that don't every expect to see my aura used.

hmm are we still on the path to more free aura? Has my post just jinxed myself and now no more free aura will be given out?


I suspect there will never be any more free aurum. And I bet they are very nervous about allowing aurum xfers because that will mean you can double up to monocletwatimplants and sell for profit to credulous fools.

Yes basically, CCP did just chuck more ISK into an already inflationary market by giving away aurum (which I presume was done at the orders of CCP monocle and CCP 1000 dollar jeans to hide the extent of the NeX failure. )

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#22 - 2011-11-07 15:02:24 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You know what? I like my new shirt. Y'all just hatin'.

Stop hatin', haters.

Not from hating, but caring obviously to much to see EVE turn into another trash can clone of a game. If I hated the game then I would simply cancel my sub and move on as I have done in other games before.

Is it a bad thing to want to see the integrity of the sandbox that is EVE kept intact.

EVE is unique in the MMO gaming sphere, but it seems certain people in CCP are hellbent to make it the same as all the others. Not only that the more the game becomes like everyone elses the more competition it will have. The MMO market is about to be flooded with Sci-Fi games in the next 12 months, EVE needs to retain an edge on the others.

CCP needs to deliver compelling, interesting, fun content and I don't believe the NEX Store fits into any of those categories. All it has done so far is remove an element of the game that I'm sure many poeple would have enjoyed and been onboard with. How many people in EVE and other games enjoy manufacturing/crafting items and their whole game revolves around it.

Now though that part of the game has been removed from those players and new players wont look at it as another avenue of gameplay for them to aspire to giving EVE a broader audience.

For me I look at the game as a whole and don't compartmentalize it which it seems the current CSM is unable to do. Look at what is good for the game overall, not just one small portion of it.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#23 - 2011-11-07 15:06:07 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You know what? I like my new shirt. Y'all just hatin'.

Stop hatin', haters.

Not from hating, but caring obviously to much to see EVE turn into another trash can clone of a game. If I hated the game then I would simply cancel my sub and move on as I have done in other games before.

Is it a bad thing to want to see the integrity of the sandbox that is EVE kept intact.

EVE is unique in the MMO gaming sphere, but it seems certain people in CCP are hellbent to make it the same as all the others. Not only that the more the game becomes like everyone elses the more competition it will have. The MMO market is about to be flooded with Sci-Fi games in the next 12 months, EVE needs to retain an edge on the others.

CCP needs to deliver compelling, interesting, fun content and I don't believe the NEX Store fits into any of those categories. All it has done so far is remove an element of the game that I'm sure many poeple would have enjoyed and been onboard with. How many people in EVE and other games enjoy manufacturing/crafting items and their whole game revolves around it.

Now though that part of the game has been removed from those players and new players wont look at it as another avenue of gameplay for them to aspire to giving EVE a broader audience.

For me I look at the game as a whole and don't compartmentalize it which it seems the current CSM is unable to do. Look at what is good for the game overall, not just one small portion of it.


Thats a good post but don't expect too much sense from Andreus.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#24 - 2011-11-07 15:31:10 UTC
gfldex wrote:

Incarna wasn't just "We screwed that up a bit", it was a prime example of cooperate blindness, caused by a complete disconnection from the player base. It happend because of t20 and the CSM. The rules of dev participation in the game got changed and a proxy was setup between them and the player base.



Go on then, I'll bite - how did the CSM cause Incarna? Spell it out for me.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2011-11-07 15:36:59 UTC
All I can say is that CCP is walking on extremely thin ice, and that we don't need more Soundwaves right now (sorry man, it's best for the game).

CCP should DEEPLY analyze their next moves and potential repercussions that additional fiddling with microtransactions will have. EVE is NOT a F2P game. if you're not making enough money, adjust Plex. EVE does not allow superficial customization of the avatar (the ship), yet this is a feature that every single MMO has. If custom ship skins require AUR, you will inflict an extremely deep wound on yourselves. Tread carefully.
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#26 - 2011-11-07 15:38:37 UTC
CCP Soundwave ruined this game. Sorry to say that but this man is not brilliant designer at all he is even not good designer ... Im wonder what he is still doing there .... His ideas are .. well ...
flakeys
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-11-07 15:43:29 UTC
Tedril Goveko wrote:
Not really apples and oranges to be honest, although he states free to play games, i think he knows and many others do that there are also games out there which are subscriiption based with a vanity style store tacked on that work very well, star trek online being one of them..



uhm star trek online FTP ....

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#28 - 2011-11-07 16:02:15 UTC
If he had argued that EVE is a all aspects space game and they wanted to flesh out the social aspects and seeing social games having the vanity market stuff around so it makes sense to add it to the social aspect of EVE, too, I could have even agreed with him.

But arguing that they do it because everybody else is doing it, is more a hurr durr argument.

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New Mining Mechanics
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-11-07 16:04:08 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
If he had argued that EVE is a all aspects space game and they wanted to flesh out the social aspects and seeing social games having the vanity market stuff around so it makes sense to add it to the social aspect of EVE, too, I could have even agreed with him.

But arguing that they do it because everybody else is doing it, is more a hurr durr argument.


well when we did agree with them, most of us thought they'd have the common sense to not abandon the ACTUAL game (FiS), which was left in shambles (Drake and Cane blobs for 3 years anyone?)
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-11-07 16:11:09 UTC
Everything CCP does is wrong, everything CCP says is wrong, everytime CCP brings in a new thing, or a CCP employee does an interview A KITTEN DIES!

Please OP, stfu, leave Eve and never post again. Your kind are not welcome here anymore.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
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