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Eve consumes wrong disk space

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Thorian Crystal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-04-07 11:50:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorian Crystal
I don't want to direct Eve screenshots to C, because that is for just the operating system and doesn't have much disk space. How can I change the folder?

And what is this? Under AppData there is folder CCP that has over 1Gb of stuff. Please clean it up.

In a broader sense, actually I don't want programs to save anything into My Documents folder or such, because I want to decide where stuff goes. If I don't give other permissions, then the program is not allowed to save data anywhere else. If I install a program to D:\ProgramX, then that is it! That and only that is given as a place for the program. But no, My Documents fills up with all kinds of random files.
Thorian Crystal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-04-11 15:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorian Crystal
Got again the message that I should free disk space in C -drive. Please move the AppData and screenshots to where I have installed Eve. Wouldn't be fun to get some big update from Eve and ending up running out of space for my operating system.
Xambarnath
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-12 08:55:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Xambarnath
If you want to decide what gets put on your system partition, you picked the wrong OS. Windows has requirements and recommendations to developers where to store user data and just because you don't want it to be that way doesn't mean you can expect developers to give you that option.

What you should do is get a bigger partition for your C:, change OS, or work around your problem.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2013-04-12 10:40:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
You can move your home directory /Users to another drive.

Might want to Google that.
Thorian Crystal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-04-12 15:48:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorian Crystal
I got again the warning of low disk space. Disk cleanup don't find enough to clean.

Xambarnath wrote:
If you want to decide what gets put on your system partition, you picked the wrong OS. Windows has requirements and recommendations to developers where to store user data and just because you don't want it to be that way doesn't mean you can expect developers to give you that option.


Yeah... but I am going to stick to Windows. So Eve needs to clean up it's files or I run out of disk space in C and when that happens, I have to unistall Eve.

Xambarnath wrote:
What you should do is get a bigger partition for your C:, change OS, or work around your problem.


Fail. I don't do such things. I expect things to work. I have already worked around the problem by pointing Eve to install into D-drive. If it still needs room from C, that is not my problem. If games don't behave, people play less games. So the problem falls into game industry - and also of course to Microsoft. If they both blame each other and don't do anything, well, people play less games when things don't work.

Tau Cabalander wrote:
You can move your home directory /Users to another drive. Might want to Google that.


I googled and found a post. According to it's guide things seemed too much trouble for doing anything.

Besides, I have many other games, too, and they don't consume C like that. My disk space utility shows big fat chunk of 1 Gb for CCP AppData folder - even though I have not given permission even for a single small file.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2013-04-12 20:59:44 UTC
Thorian Crystal wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You can move your home directory /Users to another drive. Might want to Google that.

I googled and found a post. According to it's guide things seemed too much trouble for doing anything.

Besides, I have many other games, too, and they don't consume C like that. My disk space utility shows big fat chunk of 1 Gb for CCP AppData folder - even though I have not given permission even for a single small file.

The EVE data cache lives there.
Thorian Crystal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-04-12 21:48:50 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
The EVE data cache lives there.


So? It should go to where is it's home, to D. I have not given any permission to settle into C.
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-04-14 23:10:48 UTC
The only way you'll be moving things is with Symbolic Linking.

...Though, I wonder why you have a 1GB "AppData\Local\CCP" folder. Mines only 85MB

You'll want to move:

'My Documents'

Using the 'Location' tab on My Documents -right click-> Properties.
-That'll take care of the screenshots, as that's in 'My Documents\EVE\capture\Screenshots\'

If you move it any other way Windows won't know you moved it and you will end up with a mess of things.
*You can also do this for 'My Pictures, Music, Video', and 'Downloads'.
Adrian Dixon
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
-affliction-
#9 - 2013-04-15 10:12:24 UTC
I use a program called symlink to fix this problem http://code.google.com/p/symlinker/
Thorian Crystal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-04-15 16:32:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorian Crystal
Dyner wrote:
...Though, I wonder why you have a 1GB "AppData\Local\CCP" folder. Mines only 85MB


That sounds more appropriate, but I don't know why mine is 1Gb. I have not developed Eve.

There is tons of cache files. I cleared cache and it removed almost nothing. There is still 1 Gb of stuff under AppData.

..._eveonline_eveonline_tranquility: 1Gb

There is three cache_backups:
\ cache_backup0 509Mb
\ cache_backup2 463Mb
\ cache_backup1 64Mb

And the backups contain eg.:
\\ Most space is taken by ships: 267Mb, 278Mb, 22Mb
\\ Pictures 100 Mb, 40 Mb, 13 Mb
\\ And other stuff...
Xambarnath
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-04-16 13:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Xambarnath
Your problem is that you believe that your problem is someone else's problem. Just delete the backup files and you should be good.
CCP Atropos
C C P
C C P Alliance
#12 - 2013-04-16 13:41:48 UTC
Thorian Crystal wrote:
Dyner wrote:
...Though, I wonder why you have a 1GB "AppData\Local\CCP" folder. Mines only 85MB


That sounds more appropriate, but I don't know why mine is 1Gb. I have not developed Eve.

There is tons of cache files. I cleared cache and it removed almost nothing. There is still 1 Gb of stuff under AppData.

..._eveonline_eveonline_tranquility: 1Gb

There is three cache_backups:
\ cache_backup0 509Mb
\ cache_backup2 463Mb
\ cache_backup1 64Mb

And the backups contain eg.:
\\ Most space is taken by ships: 267Mb, 278Mb, 22Mb
\\ Pictures 100 Mb, 40 Mb, 13 Mb
\\ And other stuff...

As a preventative measure the cache clearing backs up your old cache. Which is what those folders contain.
Thorian Crystal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-04-16 15:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorian Crystal
Xambarnath wrote:
Your problem is that you believe that your problems is someone else's problem. Just delete the backup files and you should be good.


No, this is not my problem. Sure it affects me, but it is CCP's responsibility to keep their product from dumping random stuff peoples' disks full. And in this case totally wrong disk, even.

Also, there appears to be some bug in preview function of this forum.

CCP Atropos wrote:
As a preventative measure the cache clearing backs up your old cache. Which is what those folders contain.


Really? Please stop filling my disk up.
Flush With Hooch
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-05-19 15:24:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Flush With Hooch
CCP signed a pact with the devil (Microsoft) and at some point rearranged all their file saving to comply with some Microsoft Grandiose Guideline of the One True Way, users be damned. Simply run eve from .bat file and set USERPROFILE to be a local directory. Problem solved.

Something like:

@echo off
set EVEPATH=%CD%
set PROFPATH=%EVEPATH%\UserProfile

@echo "Creating infrastructure under '%PROFPATH%'"
mkdir "%PROFPATH%\Local Settings\Application Data"
mkdir "%PROFPATH%\My Documents"
REM Vista paths
mkdir "%PROFPATH%\Documents\EVE"
mkdir "%PROFPATH%\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE"


set USERPROFILE=%PROFPATH%

"%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" /end /LUA:OFF

--
I've crudely cut this out of the launching code I use, and it is not tested. It is possible to keep all EVE cruft on drive D: or wherever you wish it to stay. The .bat file lives where eve.exe lives. I make a shortcut to my desktop for launching.
xarjin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-05-22 05:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: xarjin
1GB seems like the eve client being generous. My CCP appdata folder is 2.62 GB Big smile

Noted I also have 6.5TB of disk space on my gaming pc and i've never deleted my appdata settings folders in 5 years so it's not a huge concern but I can imagine this could grow to become an issue for someone.

something that might help is not enabling the resource cache in GFX settings. I bet that uses up a bunch of disk space. My current appdata config subfolder for tranquility is around 790MB with the resource cache enabled.
Thorian Crystal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-05-23 20:46:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorian Crystal
The problem has not gone away.

Also, I found that others have had the same problem and they have written threads about it, below. But, as not all players write to forums, there are many more other people, who suffer from this same problem.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2873399#post2873399
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=809765#post809765

Users should not need to program scripts to keep game program from doing non allowed stuff to their computers.
Thorian Crystal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-06-14 17:19:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorian Crystal
I have removed couple of giga bytes of programs from my C drive.

But guess which error message I got today? Yeap, low space on C.

Nothing has happened. Eve still consumes wrong disk space about 1Gb. The cache histories are still there. I have moved any screenshots manually to an other drive, thanks to Eve not using the correct disk!

In fact, Eve cache histories use now 1,4Gb! Where will this lead to? I have now 0,4Gb free on C. Will Eve dump history files until the C is full?
Djerin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-06-15 11:06:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Djerin
I have the same issue on my Windows XP system. My C: drive is only a few dozen gigabytes in size. It is not supposed to be holding random data from apps. Unfortunately the ppl in Redmond are dumb and make it the standard drive for every app to drop its data. So I am using a workaround: junction points. This way the apps think they are storing their stuff in C: while it really gets saved on another partition.

Check out this wiki article to see how it works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point


So for example you can create a junction point for CCP. Here is how you do it.

Just create a directiory on a bigger partition and name it whatever you want. Let's call it "G:\path to somewhere\CCP_junction_target" so that we can recognize easily what it is.

Next we copy everything from "C:\Documents and Settings\Djerin\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP" to "G:\path to somewhere\CCP_junction_target".

After that we delete "C:\Documents and Settings\Djerin\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP", because in order to create a junction in this place there can't be a directory with the same name.

Then we install junction. Get it from here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896768.aspx and simply put it in c:\windows\system32 so that Windows knows it's path.

And last but not least we create the junction point. Open the command console (click start -> Run... and type cmd and hit return). Here the command we enter is:
Quote:
junction "C:\Documents and Settings\Djerin\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP" "G:\path to somewhere\CCP_junction_target"

Et voilĂ , we're done. From now on Eve will spam G: with its cache data.

In theory you can do this with the entire user directory alternatively in analogous way so that other programs spam their crap to G: as well.

Hope it helps you.


PS: I have reported this issue to CCP years ago already. It really is not that difficult for them to just give us an installer where you can opt for alternative directories to use both for cache data as well as a custom Temp directory to use for the installer. If you have little space in C: you just can't use an installer that tries to unzip 10+ GB there. IT WILL NOT WORK! But apparently I was talking to a brickwall.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#19 - 2013-06-15 23:15:32 UTC
Thorian Crystal wrote:
I don't want to direct Eve screenshots to C, because that is for just the operating system and doesn't have much disk space. How can I change the folder?

And what is this? Under AppData there is folder CCP that has over 1Gb of stuff. Please clean it up.

In a broader sense, actually I don't want programs to save anything into My Documents folder or such, because I want to decide where stuff goes. If I don't give other permissions, then the program is not allowed to save data anywhere else. If I install a program to D:\ProgramX, then that is it! That and only that is given as a place for the program. But no, My Documents fills up with all kinds of random files.


no

%programfiles% can only contain "static" files, per windows rules.

all non static files can only be written in userland, in %userdir% or it's sub-folders.

datas at the attention of the user, such as screens / fittings / logs are to be written in %userdir%\Documents

datas relatives to the internal functionnement of applications are to go in %appdata% (cache, internal settings etc...)

if you don't want applications to save anything in %userdir%, well, just use another OS, but you won't find any, but some linux you would be able to setup yourself cause for many reasons, applications that run under "user" permissions will have only access to "user" folder.

the ONLY way around the issue you have, is to move your personnal folder on another partition that suits you better.

this can be done following the steps described at this adress: change user folder emplacement on windows7
Thorian Crystal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-06-16 21:01:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorian Crystal
Thanks for advice. Seems complicated. I am right, all data should go where I set them to go, not some other place that some other person wants them to go.

I just might consider changing to Mac.
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