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A case against the 0.01 isk war
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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-06-12 19:05:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:

It's been a policy of mine for quite some time, (here and in other games) to never buy from someone who's undercut the sell price of another by a single ISK or less.

I find it insulting that those people think that THEY should get the sale and the only deal they want to cut me is an extra ISK off the nearest price.

Of course until more people take the policy position I have on such practices, I suppose they will keep doing it.



I think you should know that the person with the lowest bid always gets the isk. You are actually giving them more money. Learned this the hard way when a corp mate bought a 500mil bcs in a station I was selling BCSes in and almost got kicked for scamming.

The reason it is done is as an antiscamming measure I suppose so people don't accidently buy 1000 missiles for 100mil

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Ordellus
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-06-15 08:22:06 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
I think you should know that the person with the lowest bid always gets the isk. You are actually giving them more money.


This isn't right at all. I just tested it.

1) right clicked specific sell order or specific location
2) choose 'buy this item' or however it's worded
3) that exact amount was removed (note- not the amount for the lowest in the system)
4) Item was deposited at the station the sell order I choose was location in (note- not the location of the lowest sell order)

I tested it multiple time, with different modules, at different locations.

You buy from the specific order you choose to buy from.

Now if you just do the quick buy.... that could be another story.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#43 - 2013-06-15 09:17:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Ordellus wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
I think you should know that the person with the lowest bid always gets the isk. You are actually giving them more money.


This isn't right at all. I just tested it.

1) right clicked specific sell order or specific location
2) choose 'buy this item' or however it's worded
3) that exact amount was removed (note- not the amount for the lowest in the system)
4) Item was deposited at the station the sell order I choose was location in (note- not the location of the lowest sell order)

I tested it multiple time, with different modules, at different locations.

You buy from the specific order you choose to buy from.

Now if you just do the quick buy.... that could be another story.



In case of multiple orders in same station you choose to buy from - lowest sell/highest buy orders are always completed 1st

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Johan Toralen
IIIJIIIITIIII
#44 - 2013-06-15 12:08:03 UTC
Useless idea. Nothing stops you from undercutting 0.01 punks more aggressively. In fact that's how to deal with it. Undercut to a point where either they leave you alone or buy up your stock.
FoxFire Ayderan
#45 - 2013-06-15 19:51:32 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:


I think you should know that the person with the lowest bid always gets the isk. You are actually giving them more money. Learned this the hard way when a corp mate bought a 500mil bcs in a station I was selling BCSes in and almost got kicked for scamming.

The reason it is done is as an antiscamming measure I suppose so people don't accidently buy 1000 missiles for 100mil


I don't know if there are truly legitimate and urgent reasons why a buyer is not allowed to buy from the specific sell order they want, the reasons I've heard so far don't sound all that compelling to me.

However, if CCP deems it absolutely necessary that when you make a purchase the sale always must go to the lowest priced sell order in station (which again I find dubious), then I'm afraid I have to insist that the sell interface ALWAYS give you that lowest price when making the purchase.

Why would it allow you to say (accidentally) click on an order for an item priced at 1000 ISK per unit greater than the lowest sell price, then allow the purchase to complete and that sale goes to the guy with the lowest sell price with a 1000 ISK per unit overpayment to him? If the guy with the lowest price always gets the sale, then the purchaser should only be paying the price that seller is charging.

It's also highly misleading to those like myself who intentionally try to purchase from the seller who's selling at 100 ISK per unit rather than the guy selling at 99.99 ISK per unit, for our purchase to go to the guy we don't like with extra profit to him. There should be some indication that your purchase is going to that seller (like the price displaying the lowest price).
Black Dranzer
#46 - 2013-06-15 20:18:26 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Seriously? That's how it works?

That's absolute crap.

Yeah, it really is.

I honestly had a similar policy and was disgruntled to learn that I did not in fact have a choice on who I give my money to.

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#47 - 2013-06-15 20:46:06 UTC
0,01 isking isn't very hard, nor does it take any bots.

The interval between market order updates are 5 minutes, so it takes a simple timer and a good book or video.

So every 5 minutes you check your orders, if needed adjust, otherwise go back to book/video.

The only reason to detest that behaviour is if you want more payment for your goods, now, and you can't be arsed to even bother with looking at it at 5 minute intervals.

But nothing in eve comes for free.

And selecting which sell order you want to buy from, even if it's more expensive, isn't allowed since it opens for money laundering and RMT.

If you have a dealer you want to deal with then there's contracts (or direct trade).

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Adunh Slavy
#48 - 2013-06-15 21:21:50 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:

The reason it is done is as an antiscamming measure I suppose so people don't accidently buy 1000 missiles for 100mil



Actually, it only half works. If you type in 100 million as the price, and try to buy the 100 missiles from the low seller, you buy from the low seller and still pay the 100 million.

CCP doesn't have the ability, apparently, to code a while loop that can execute multiple atomic transactions from a sorted list. Of course every commodities and stock brokerage in the world knows how to do this, but it is beyond CCP's ability.

Oh, and some Eve players think that such stupidity in the GUI's bullet proofing makes eve hard and elite, hence idiocy remains.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-06-15 21:51:14 UTC
You lose your market deposit when you take the order off. This is what fixes the 0.01 ISK game.

What appears to you like lots of people taking their orders down and reposting them slightly cheaper is actually an active market in which people are adding more orders to sell and are just barely undercutting the competition. If you sell on a price upswing, you don't have to undercut at all to sell, just gotta be patient and wait till the price goes above what you set. If the price is on a downswing, then you probably need to undercut significantly and sell fast. And if you have good market prediction skills, you can just set your price at the upper end of what you expect people to pay at some point in the next 3 months, and leave it there till it sells. If you catch a market that has a buying spree every once in a while, then you want to have an order up a bit over the competition when that happens.

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Anna Djan
Banana Corp
#50 - 2013-06-17 12:38:25 UTC
I think it's a great idea.

It would add more dynamics to the market rather than using a 0.01 isk bot.
Market shifts would be more interesting to watch and make money from.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-06-17 19:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Adunh Slavy wrote:



Actually, it only half works. If you type in 100 million as the price, and try to buy the 100 missiles from the low seller, you buy from the low seller and still pay the 100 million.

That is what I just said.
It discourages people from doing that because then they will make no money.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-06-17 20:39:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
It works against the scam in which someone puts up a sell price for an "undercut" at 900x the price. If someone buys it, they still lose the money, but the person who placed the order does not get the money if there are enough orders below theirs. And if there aren't, then it's not a scam, it's a local price.

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