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Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-15 19:37:03 UTC
Why not make these new faction BC's invulnerable to ecm.
They cost so damn much and the way ECM boats, such as Falcon and BlackBird or the griffin are so OP'ed, it would make sense to make them invulnerable to ecm.
These new faction ships cost more than regular BC's with no bonus to sensor strength they are not worth buying.
Just wastch a pvp vid the other day that had a falcon perma jam a ship OVER 90KM.
With the new ship balances I think mister fonzie and kil2 should focus on their smarts/wits and will into doing something that will help make ECM ships less OP.
ECM less OP = More fights, more ships destroyed, nice isk sink hole.
LETS GET IT DONE.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2013-06-15 19:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mistress Lilu wrote:
Why not make these new faction BC's invulnerable to ecm.
Because there's no reason to give them that kind of ability?

Oh, and ships being destroyed is an ISK faucet, not a sink.
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-06-15 19:40:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mistress Lilu wrote:
Why not make these new faction BC's invulnerable to ecm.
Because there's no reason to give them that kind of ability?

Oh, and ships being destroyed is an ISK faucet, not a sink.

move along forum troll.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2013-06-15 19:42:09 UTC
Mistress Lilu wrote:
move along forum troll.
So you agree, then, since you can't address the points.
Goodie.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#5 - 2013-06-15 19:42:40 UTC
Well it might make sense to give them not immunity but strength against the opposing factions EWar. But immunity would be as OP as ECM.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2013-06-15 19:46:56 UTC
They're bringing a second person along to counter you? Bring a second person along to counter their second person:

[Falcon, AntiFalc]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I
Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I

Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Prototype ECCM Gravimetric Sensor Cluster
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Targeting Systems Stabilizer II
Medium Targeting Systems Stabilizer II

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-06-15 19:48:52 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
They're bringing a second person along to counter you? Bring a second person along to counter their second person:

[Falcon, AntiFalc]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I
Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I

Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Prototype ECCM Gravimetric Sensor Cluster
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Targeting Systems Stabilizer II
Medium Targeting Systems Stabilizer II

counter a falcon with a falcon..shows how OP they are.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2013-06-15 19:51:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mistress Lilu wrote:
counter a falcon with a falcon..shows how OP they are.
So OP that they're falling out of favour and being replaced by damping ships…

…also, the above fit works with anything that has tons of midslots (bah! too slow Oops)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2013-06-15 19:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Mistress Lilu wrote:
counter a falcon with a falcon..shows how OP they are.


Nope, it's countering a second person with a second person. That fit works equally well with any force recon because none have a Remote ECCM bonus.

Friends are Overpowered, nerf friends.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#10 - 2013-06-15 19:56:01 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


Friends are Overpowered, nerf friends.


QFT

I want to play EVE surrounded in bubble wrap in my own little box my pop made.

/it sometimes gets very hot in the box... my pop made.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
GreenSeed
#11 - 2013-06-15 20:16:33 UTC
Mistress Lilu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mistress Lilu wrote:
Why not make these new faction BC's invulnerable to ecm.
Because there's no reason to give them that kind of ability?

Oh, and ships being destroyed is an ISK faucet, not a sink.

move along forum troll.


its called insurance, not trolling.

well, when you think about it, insurance is CCPs way of trolling in the sandbox.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#12 - 2013-06-15 20:48:29 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
Mistress Lilu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mistress Lilu wrote:
Why not make these new faction BC's invulnerable to ecm.
Because there's no reason to give them that kind of ability?

Oh, and ships being destroyed is an ISK faucet, not a sink.

move along forum troll.


its called insurance, not trolling.

well, when you think about it, insurance is CCPs way of trolling in the sandbox.

VV Twisted

Remove standings and insurance.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-06-15 20:59:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Oh, and ships being destroyed is an ISK faucet, not a sink.


...explain?

Dodixie > Hek
Haulie Berry
#14 - 2013-06-15 21:02:31 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Oh, and ships being destroyed is an ISK faucet, not a sink.


...explain?


What's to explain? A ship being destroyed removes no ISK from the game. The isk that was spent on the ship simply went to another player - it still exists, just not in YOUR wallet anymore.

Ship destruction does trigger insurance, though, which generates brand new isk that didn't exist before.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#15 - 2013-06-15 21:04:09 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Oh, and ships being destroyed is an ISK faucet, not a sink.


...explain?



A ship is destroyed. No ISK leaves the game, as you've already given it to another player.

ISK enters the game, as you are given the insurance money.


Sure, Insurance /could/ be a sink, if people didn't have their ship destroyed while it was covered, paying for the insurance more than once. But that doesn't happen (on average).



People /think/ it's an isk sink, because their total value is dropping. But an ISK sink is only where it leaves the game completely.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Amarra Mandalin
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-06-15 21:34:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
Steve Ronuken wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Oh, and ships being destroyed is an ISK faucet, not a sink.


...explain?



A ship is destroyed. No ISK leaves the game, as you've already given it to another player.

ISK enters the game, as you are given the insurance money.


Sure, Insurance /could/ be a sink, if people didn't have their ship destroyed while it was covered, paying for the insurance more than once. But that doesn't happen (on average).



People /think/ it's an isk sink, because their total value is dropping. But an ISK sink is only where it leaves the game completely.



Much of our language is adapted to common usage, not necessarily inline with its original definition. What people "think" (or perspective) may indeed make a seemingly incorrect word choice, accurate. Context matters.

ETA: That said, the OP's choice of "sink hole" is a bit awkward. (I misread it).

Since the thread is about how OP ECM allegedly is, I'll leave it that... as at least a nerf thread can be semi-constructive and is about something other than Goons.