Science & Industry

The mineral composition of Null ores was changed to make them more valuable. Ideally I would think mining in Null would be better than high sec or low sec. If you go to the trouble to be there, either by stealth or by claiming space, you deserve the reward.

But looking at http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore and setting aside Mercoxit, the first 2 most valuable ores are low sec ores. In addition two of the null ores, Spodumain and Gniess, are still near the bottom.

Did CCP go far enough? Do these ores need more enrichment?

Well, Zydrine is cheaper than Nocxium AFAIK. If Eve had a command economy, then that would be in need of fixing. But it doesn't, so the demand/supply curve for minerals reflects many variables, including what players build, what they fly, what they mine and what they lose.

the issue is the mineral market being ****** due to the recent mineral changes in battleships and the fact that they won't be profitable build for a while, just like most other ships rather than the ores.

and high sec ores are for the most part, at the bottom of that table, so it's fine.

It's settled! OP, necro this thread in 2 months and we shall see!

You and CCP are dreaming.

hmm i don't know what null are you now, but in the system i mine there's Hedbergite and Hemorphite. we have Veldspar, scordite, omber too. basically we have almost all sort of ore.

so your statement "Ideally I would think mining in Null would be better than high sec or low sec. If you go to the trouble to be there, either by stealth or by claiming space, you deserve the reward." is already done

I say give it at least 6 months for the market to settle. There have been so many changes that have affected the market in different ways. I think the changes to ore compositions are a great step in the right direction.But it will take time for things to level out. However considering they removed one of our main risk mitigation tools by moving grav sites over to anomalies it will be a while before we start to see any significant positive impact.

I have been speaking against this change for some time now, long before it went live. I have been told that freelance miners like myself represent such a small portion of ore income in the game that the effects this change has on us really do not mean anything in the bigger picture.

If it is a fact that 90% of the ores mined outside of high sec are either deep inside space controlled by large alliances and power blocks, or in W-space then what I ask is why? Why are high end ores not mined much outside these area's? There are massive area's of NPC null and even area's of SOV null controlled by smaller alliances where mining is just not done. Why does nobody mine there? It is simple, the risks are just to high for the income it generates. They were to high before Odyssey and are even higher now.

I was one of the few that did mine in these area's, I did so successfully, despite the high risk, I learned to use the tools available to mitigate that risk. I learned to rely on D-scan far more than local as there was almost always a few neutrals in system. But only the ones with a probe launcher could find me, and I could spot the probes and warp off before they got me, as long as I did not let my guard down. Sure I lost a few ships, when I was not paying attention, or someone was smart enough to scan the sites down before I got there. But I accepted that level of risk as I was able to make enough profit that when that happened it did not break me. It was mining in grav sites and using D-scan to watch for threats that allowed me to do this successfully.

Now with Odyssey and the change from grav sites to ore anomalies this activity is no longer possible. Now anyone gets a near instant warp in to the ore sites as soon as they jump into the system. If I have to hide in a POS every time I see a neutral I will not be spending enough time mining for it to be worthwhile. As a freelance miner this is game breaking for me.

How does increasing this level of risk in any way benefit the game? The deeper into SOV null you go the less impact this change has on the miners, but there is still no benefit. All this has done is give the large null sec alliances a monopoly on these high end ores. How does this improve the game? The large null sec alliances have enough power, they already control the game, they do not need help from CCP. CCP claims these big power house alliances, that can field Titan, and MOM fleets in staggering numbers go against the design of the game, yet they bend over backwards to support these game breaking power blocks, while kicking the little guy in the teeth. I just do not get how this is in any way an improvement.

TBH pretty much anything that makes mining less of an AFK activity and/or increases the opportunity for explosions is good.

What about it?




Because per m3 gives you an objective measure that is easily applied to any subjective yield quantity.



Please show your work. I'm feeling a little under the weather, and nothing cheers me up like watching an S&I player attempt to do math.

I think they should be punished for moving to a 3rd world zone, just like they would be in real life.