Crime & Punishment

We can easily settle this, wardec me again!

Your corp exists of just one person, you, when you drop off because of a bad connection, so do all your bots. You lie, you pretend, you live in your own little fantasy world of only you, and your bots, it's only you and your bots in your corp, in your alliance, with nobody else. Wardec me again I dare you, and we will see how often you are in the complex. I am less than two months playing this game and you run from me. You have no experience PvPing. You have no experience other than what you do every day botting the plex over and over and over and over so nobody else can use it at all.

My point is that her bots are set to warp out when attacked by someone wardeced, I'm usually attacking, taking pop shots in an SB fitted with a few torpedoes, seriously, I have a paper thin tank and no matter if it's a PVE or PvP fitted boat, she should be able to pop me no issue. But since she is not controlling her botting ishtars, she flees instead.

Lol....

I am going to use it for this reason

It's my understanding that you can set a bot up to leave if it reads someone is in the same system as them.

It's also my understanding you can set up a bot to leave if a non NPC pilot attacks them.

It is further my understanding that any knowledgeable player, specially one who has been playing for over three years and Pilots Tengus and Ishtars, will, when faced, no matter if fitted for PVE or PvP, will stand and fight against a paper thin tank like an SB, fitted with nothing but torps that don't have any range past 37km, specially when they are also fielding Ogre IIs.

Forgive me if I am assuming too much, but I don't really think I am at all, I think it's fairly obvious. Another point, if I do nothing and just sit there, the botting pilot/toon/character does nothing until I do, if I wardeced someone, and they were in the same exact room of a complex as I was, I would either immediately commit to a fight, or I would gather my drones while they were still at range, and warp out before they got into range. Just to find them I had to log my pilot out in that system, then log a noob toon not in my corp and wait for the bots to show up, then log my wardecced pilot in, and almost always they warp out right away.

And remember, she wardeced me, I did not wardec her.

That is not at all true. Since you've said you're only 3 month noob, this is probably your first encounter with the extreme carebear in it's natural habitat.

That, and account age doesn't mean active that entire time or that the characters weren't bought.

So again, while bots (supposedly, I've never used one) can be setup to run when encountered by anyone regardless of ship class, this is not sufficient evidence to point them out as bots, whether they be three years old and "experienced" or not. Carebears run from fights. It's in their nature.

Now the claim of 23.5/7 inside the complex, if CCP validates it, would probably be sufficient. But since apparently you and others have petitioned multiple times over and put in bot reports, my guess is that you just have ****** timezone coverage and happen to be hitting these sites the same time they are.

While I was hunting them, I tried to catch them at all times, because literally they are on at all times, no matter what time of the day you log on, one of the bots is usually almost always working the complex. I didn't even know the complex existed until Nex told me, he was in my corp until the wardec then he left because he is also new and not trained up properly. Since she wardeced my corp I was going to step up and answer the call, but like I said before, you understand the case.

I don't think people should be botting but I wasn't working the complex so what would I care. But I do believe just as others have said that sh is doing the bot thing I have seen it myself first hand, and I have at least enough experience in other games to know what a bot does, how to test it to see how it reacts to figure out if it's a human behind the pilot or not, this to me is obviously a bot.

By the way thanks for the pointers

Step One:

Get some friends. Some of the New Order guys would probably love to get in on this with their alts (or mains).

Step Two:

Wardec her.

Step Three:

Jump into the plex with proper tackle support and 'splode her shiny spaceboats.
Remember to salvage the wrecks as well as loot them.
And get the corpses. The frozen, frozen corpses. They look good mounted up on the wall.

Step Four:

Harvest glorious tears.


Step Five:

Repeat steps 3 and 4 as required.

Or, just talk to Tora and see if Marmite will go pro bono on this one, this would be a good training op for their newer members.

war dec put through just to see if they jump corp or not

everyone above seems offline.

also they are Spanish players.. very least some sort of Hispanic.

Or not to prove botting...

Sometimes we become emotionally attached to our arguments and we can't see past what we want to believe because, like a PvP fight, we already have committed to it.

I will say this, I am absolutely convinced beyond a doubt, myself, that Feya is running toons through the plex that would be considered bots by the definition that botting is the act of using a computer program to do what otherwise a human being would be doing, i.e. pressing buttons, moving the mouse, etc. With that being said, I realize I could be wrong. My advantage in this is that I have played another MMORPG the first in fact, since it's beta, over 15 years and have seen bots, made bots, operated bots and killed toons that were operating as bots. This with the fact that I have observed and interacted with Feya's toons and can see they do not react as a human would, and the fact my background is in psychology lead me to believe, beyond any doubt, that these toons Feya is using are in fact bots.

That doesn't mean she doesn't play them, or answer questions in local once in awhile, or doesn't do anything that proves she is at the helm, because she does, specially when she first logs them on, and when she logs them out.

But all anyone that doubts my conclusions has to do is simply observe her when they die down to normal, do what I have done and others that make that area of space their home when they encounter her. I said before to go on the assumption I am wrong, and to see for yourselves what the truth is by interacting with Feya's toons, this was not meant to lend credence to what I was saying, but to get others opinions after seeing what she is doing, how frequently, etc.

Since this thread has been posted, she has not been frequenting the plex, and I suspect the reason is that she is like others have stated, an extreme carebear and is afraid of what this thread and all talking on this will mean for her expensive shiny ships. Although she had no problem spending 370 mil on my bounty, I don't really think she is hurting for isk, scanning her ships holds prove she flies her bots around with sometimes millions worth of mods and BPCs obtained from the plex, I still think the thought of ###EDITED WAS loosing THE CORRECT SYNTAX IS losing### her expensive Ishtars makes her cringe.

Until you have personally observed her toons botting, I wouldn't expect anyone to just take my word for it, what I have presented here are my experiences alone, and most of the people posting in this thread do not know me in the slightest. I am just some Joe Blow posting on a thread bitching about botting because I am not getting the named NPCs or the structure.

But check it out, and then explain how I am wrong, if I am wrong I will take my pill and swallow it, I have no problem being proved wrong because learning to me is more important than my pride being damaged because I was proven wrong. And if I am right, I would be glad for the confirmation.

I also appreciate the communities response on this, the discussion and the debate, it all has value. I am finding EVE one of the most socially complex games I have ever encountered with aspects found nowhere else.

I suffer from an extreme form of dyslexia, as you can imagine college was difficult specially because at the time it was barely understood. I had to teach myself how to type, and type by pattern rather than how most people do. Because of this I sometimes type words correctly, but in the wrong meaning, context or syntax, because I tend to be verbose, the chances of me slipping up are fairly high. Thanks for catching my mistake, it was funny to say the least.

Just because someone operates a toon as a bot does not negate their need to maintenance it. First, it's very simple to set conditions for a bot to leave a complex if it is watching for someone that is wardeced to enter, or to check and respond if someone fires on it that it is wardeced with and initiate a pre-programed script that moves it out of harms way. I would be surprised if the mining bots don't also do this on a regular basis.

Jumping corp would be the smart thing to do if wardeced. Feyas toon she does play "Feya" which she is on many times at the same time the bots are, is also in the same corp, she would know when someone wardeced her, and could respond by removing her bots from that corp. However, she wardeced my friends corp, not the other way around, and then used bots that were not seen before, that at one time were in Menceys Prospectors but no longer, to bot the plex.

I haven't seen any of the toons removed from the corp, but what I have seen is her other bots, if you look at their corp history, used to be in the same corp as the bots she was using, but left, some a year ago. Matter of fact her older bots used to belong to another corp far back in their history, and have all since left it. These are the bots she used once she wardeced because they were not in the same corp, she could continue to **** the plex with her bots, without fear of being attacked. This shift in the bots she was using only happened after she wardeced, and only after my friend started shooting at her.

She has evidently been doing this for the past 2-3 year according to others that frequent or make the same area their home. She is known.

As I have said before, you can point out these things, and I can argue against them, but until you see for yourself you are not going to know for sure, nor would I expect you to take my word on it.

I have gone out of my way to sign on at very different times in an attempt to finish the plex, for Cosmos.

I'm not farming the plex, I am just trying to complete it. I don't want the plex for myself, but I would like to see other people being able to complete their own cosmos missions.

If you read this thread, there are several people who have posted, and even more than talk about it in local, or in private chat rooms that we have set up for exactly that purpose.

I had nothing to do with starting this thread.

Why is it that some people, without experiencing what is going on, will leap literally and figuratively at any opportunity to take an opposite side just to oppose a thread like this, without actually going out into the plex and experiencing what people are talking about? Because I go out of my way to communicate with people from other countries that confirm the times that the plex is being bot, you assume that I must be logging that time myself. Because I choose to log on a odd times in the hopes of being able to run the plex without the botting, you also assume I must be on the entire length.

And besides the threat of reporting me for whatever you want me to be afraid you might report me for, which by the way is a little bit over the top. What was the point of your post? At the very least others have had a point, and clearly made it. You however have made no point, just silly accusations with no real reasoning. I might accuse you of being in cahoots with the botter because she has somehow made you feel sorry for her, I noticed she hasn't been botting the plex the last couple days. Or perhaps you are a botter yourself and become incensed when you see botters being attacked by real players. Or maybe you are just a troll looking to plaster your name all over a thread that has nothing to do you with, nor do you have anything worthwhile to contribute. If you did, if you had some measure of reasoning, then perhaps I might politely engage you in this thread, but the fact is you do not. So what was the point?

If you are in fact curious how I know that these bots are in the plex as often as they are, why not just simply ask me instead of childishly baiting me or others in this thread, I would be more than happy to break it down for you since you do not seem able to realize that there are far more than one person affected by this.