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Security status hits in lowsec

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Mdfka Jones
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-06-13 12:08:58 UTC
Hello,

I'm what you probably call a "weekend pirate" or something along the lines. I do not choose the time when I can play EvE but I find myself in situations when I can logon for an hour or two. Naturally, all I want to do is have some fun with the game so I grab whatever pvp ship is ready for action in a station nearby and head out to lowsec.
Hunting targets is fun. Engaging them is even more so. Since 99% of the time I'm solo it is hard to get in to a reasonable fight sometimes. So kill what you can catch. Fair game to everyone in lowsec here.

What I'm a bit worried about here are the security status hits that we get once engaged in the fight. A couple days ago I happened to be roaming around in my trusty little Slasher when a Heron showed up on D-scan. Seconds later I was in warp towards the star. Landed right on top of the guy. Did not know what to expect because it seemed too easy - could be bait. But what the hell it's just a Slasher I thought and engaged as soon as possible. He died very quickly and I cought the pod. Since the character was about two years old I decided to convo him for ransom only to get blocked. He popped shortly after.

The Heron was 750k isk and the pod was empty. For this "deadly" crime I got myself a 100k isk bounty and killrights available for some corp. Which I gladly welcome and looking forward to. On the other hand I got around 1.5% security status hit for killing the ship and a huge -9.5% for the pod. A decent BS rat gives around 0.2% increase so it will take more than 50 BS rat kills to grind that back. Which I find ridiculous. My sec status is -4.4 now. I don't want to be locked out of hisec so I can't really have any more fun before I grind some of that back and that prevents me from logging on sometimes since shooting red crosses is no where near as much fun as PVP. Really not looking forward to that. I don't have hundreds of millions of isk to blow on security tags either since I do not play that much. I am quite sure there are more players who are facing similar problems.

I really think these hits could be more reasonable. Similar to what you get for killing a ship would be more in line in my opinion.

Also what could you suggest for a casual pvp guy who just enjoys to shoot other dudes without much consequence and with more fun? I know there's FW but don't you get locked out of big parts of hisec for doing it?



TL;DR Security status hits for podding in lowsec is too damn high!
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-06-13 12:16:00 UTC
Tags for Sec Status. Just released, tags are available in low sec. It's about 80-100 mill cheaper to find em than buy em, but there ya have it. Being a weekend pirate could be expensive for ya if you wanna be seen as a 'good guy'.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-13 12:28:21 UTC
podding is a big sec status hit, killing ships barely affects it. Just refrain from podding unless you want to hit -10 very quickly
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#4 - 2013-06-13 12:41:36 UTC
Basically if you avoid podding, then you have a few kills for free in low-sec, especially if you have a good sec status. The lower the sec-status of your enemy and the lower the sec-status of the system you do your crime, the less sec penality you get.
Mdfka Jones
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-06-13 12:51:37 UTC
Meditril wrote:
Basically if you avoid podding, then you have a few kills for free in low-sec, especially if you have a good sec status. The lower the sec-status of your enemy and the lower the sec-status of the system you do your crime, the less sec penality you get.


Good tips, thank you.

I know where to find security tags but selling them for 80-100 mil per piece buys me 3-4 well fit cruisers or a nice bunch of frigates. Which is basically a fleet of ships. Don't think I could justify paying that price for a bit of increase in sec status. It is an option of course.

Haulie Berry
#6 - 2013-06-13 15:17:13 UTC
Mdfka Jones wrote:



TL;DR My actions have consequences and I DON'T LIKE IT! X



Fixed for you, yw.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#7 - 2013-06-13 17:11:15 UTC
wanna be pirates tears best tears
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-06-13 20:28:28 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Mdfka Jones wrote:



TL;DR My actions have consequences and I DON'T LIKE IT! X



Fixed for you, yw.



Sorry but this is a stupid argument that does nothing to justify whether a specific game mechanic is good or not.

What if selling ore to a player who had positive standings with any empire faction caused you to lose standings with all other factions and you could no longer dock in empire systems controlled by them? Actions should have consequences, and apparently it doesn't matter if those consequences promote good or bad game play

/sarcasm
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#9 - 2013-06-14 03:52:25 UTC
Sounds like the mechanics in place to discourage podding in lowsec (obscene sec hit penalties) are working as intended! Just leave the pods and you'll get a lot more kills for your sec status buck.
Mdfka Jones
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-06-14 06:24:01 UTC
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
Sounds like the mechanics in place to discourage podding in lowsec (obscene sec hit penalties) are working as intended! Just leave the pods and you'll get a lot more kills for your sec status buck.


True, leaving pods alone would seem like an obvious choice here but when you catch a pod and ask for ransom you should mean business. It's a game over for the other guy unless he can pay his way out. Letting him go is ...hard :) and who the hell would pay you next time if you keep doing that. That would be worse than dishonoring ransoms.
And ransoms get you isk and more ships.

Also I checked that corp and it seems it's what they do - getting their ships and pods exploded in lowsec to collect killrights.

Bad Messenger wrote:
wanna be pirates tears best tears


Wanna be trolls worst trolls.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#11 - 2013-06-14 09:15:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ynot Eyob
MJ

If you have choosen the path of Piracy and wana ransom pods, its pretty clear that the concequence is a big hit if you blow them up. I see no problem with that.

We have flown together in the past and i know you just wana pew pew. So why not just stick to pew pew without podding, if you really wana go to empire.

You have choosen to become a pirate, so next time we meet and *courgh* you get my ship in hull, why not ransom my ship instead of the pod?

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

Mdfka Jones
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-06-14 09:52:47 UTC
Ynot Eyob wrote:
MJ

If you have choosen the path of Piracy and wana ransom pods, its pretty clear that the concequence is a big hit if you blow them up. I see no problem with that.

We have flown together in the past and i know you just wana pew pew. So why not just stick to pew pew without podding, if you really wana go to empire.

You have choosen to become a pirate, so next time we meet and *courgh* you get my ship in hull, why not ransom my ship instead of the pod?


Valid points. Indeed I just want to pew. I have gone full negative status before and you simply can't access a part of the game anymore. Logistics also become a bit more challenging and all that. I'll think twice before doing it again but it is a tempting option.

Null is an option as well but I don't have much experience in there. From the few times i've been there it looks like all you get are bubbles and blobs or loads of empty systems. I guess some of my ships should explode in there sometime soon then Pirate
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#13 - 2013-06-15 11:44:24 UTC
Mdfka Jones wrote:
Hello,

I'm what you probably call a "weekend pirate" or something along the lines. I do not choose the time when I can play EvE but I find myself in situations when I can logon for an hour or two. Naturally, all I want to do is have some fun with the game so I grab whatever pvp ship is ready for action in a station nearby and head out to lowsec.
Hunting targets is fun. Engaging them is even more so. Since 99% of the time I'm solo it is hard to get in to a reasonable fight sometimes. So kill what you can catch. Fair game to everyone in lowsec here.

What I'm a bit worried about here are the security status hits that we get once engaged in the fight. A couple days ago I happened to be roaming around in my trusty little Slasher when a Heron showed up on D-scan. Seconds later I was in warp towards the star. Landed right on top of the guy. Did not know what to expect because it seemed too easy - could be bait. But what the hell it's just a Slasher I thought and engaged as soon as possible. He died very quickly and I cought the pod. Since the character was about two years old I decided to convo him for ransom only to get blocked. He popped shortly after.

The Heron was 750k isk and the pod was empty. For this "deadly" crime I got myself a 100k isk bounty and killrights available for some corp. Which I gladly welcome and looking forward to. On the other hand I got around 1.5% security status hit for killing the ship and a huge -9.5% for the pod. A decent BS rat gives around 0.2% increase so it will take more than 50 BS rat kills to grind that back. Which I find ridiculous. My sec status is -4.4 now. I don't want to be locked out of hisec so I can't really have any more fun before I grind some of that back and that prevents me from logging on sometimes since shooting red crosses is no where near as much fun as PVP. Really not looking forward to that. I don't have hundreds of millions of isk to blow on security tags either since I do not play that much. I am quite sure there are more players who are facing similar problems.

I really think these hits could be more reasonable. Similar to what you get for killing a ship would be more in line in my opinion.

Also what could you suggest for a casual pvp guy who just enjoys to shoot other dudes without much consequence and with more fun? I know there's FW but don't you get locked out of big parts of hisec for doing it?



TL;DR Security status hits for podding in lowsec is too damn high!




You get a much bigger hit for podding of course but then again...if you arent going to pod anyone what fun would it be to pirate? You could let the pods go if you are wanting to conserve sec status but it is better just to go -10. If you are going to fly frigates anyway you wont have much problem buying them in high sec and flying them to low sec. Concord and navy are easily avoidable. Or you can do what countless pirates have done in this game and just rat occasionally between kills to bump your sec status back up. Just kill a rat in every system you roam through.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#14 - 2013-06-15 12:58:36 UTC
For HighSec shenanigans like logistics, just grab an alt for buying stuff and get Red Frog to jump it into the nearest HS system you usually base out of.

If you're doing pirate business, either go -10 and live with it, or don't go for the pods. Btw, do shipscannes show what imps are in a pod these days? Would be nice for ransoming. Just a little thought here.

And if you're not having the Isk and/or time to do the moneymaking/secgrinding stuff, you might want to consider throwing a PLEX once a month in there and pay the money for it irl. 15 bucks a month is usually neglectable if you have an income, can't tell of course.
Dust Rocket
Vaikus ja Rahu
#15 - 2013-06-15 20:07:42 UTC
If they shoot you back you are free to pod em no penaltis if they didnt then bam and sec status gone.

Hope this helps a bit
DeAira Skord
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-06-16 03:11:37 UTC
Mdfka Jones wrote:
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
Sounds like the mechanics in place to discourage podding in lowsec (obscene sec hit penalties) are working as intended! Just leave the pods and you'll get a lot more kills for your sec status buck.


True, leaving pods alone would seem like an obvious choice here but when you catch a pod and ask for ransom you should mean business. It's a game over for the other guy unless he can pay his way out. Letting him go is ...hard :) and who the hell would pay you next time if you keep doing that. That would be worse than dishonoring ransoms.
And ransoms get you isk and more ships.


Paying ransom has to be the stupidest thing one can do.

My buddy lost his BS, ransom and got podded.

We won't ever be paying a ransom from now on. We learned our lesson.

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#17 - 2013-06-17 10:34:32 UTC
High sec status is overrated.

Ignoring it, moving to low sec and just shooting whatever you want is one of the best things you can do in eve.
It's kinda liberating tbh.


Just kill stuff that looks at you funny. It's better to be safe than sorry.




IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#18 - 2013-06-17 10:41:21 UTC
Mdfka Jones wrote:
Ynot Eyob wrote:
MJ

If you have choosen the path of Piracy and wana ransom pods, its pretty clear that the concequence is a big hit if you blow them up. I see no problem with that.

We have flown together in the past and i know you just wana pew pew. So why not just stick to pew pew without podding, if you really wana go to empire.

You have choosen to become a pirate, so next time we meet and *courgh* you get my ship in hull, why not ransom my ship instead of the pod?


Valid points. Indeed I just want to pew. I have gone full negative status before and you simply can't access a part of the game anymore. Logistics also become a bit more challenging and all that. I'll think twice before doing it again but it is a tempting option.

Null is an option as well but I don't have much experience in there. From the few times i've been there it looks like all you get are bubbles and blobs or loads of empty systems. I guess some of my ships should explode in there sometime soon then Pirate



Join FW. Make a few 100k LP in a under a day of farming in a frigate. Convert to a few 100mil or more.
Buy stuff and black frog it.
You will be way richer even while paying Black frog to cart your crap to low sec.

Once you have your 1st load of ships/modules delivered out there you will be set. It is tough until this happens but that won't take too long.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#19 - 2013-06-17 22:28:43 UTC
only try to pod in lowsec if your target agresses back. If not let it go...
Mdfka Jones
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-06-22 05:47:51 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:

<....>Just kill stuff that looks at you funny. It's better to be safe than sorry.<....> Join FW.




I guess this is the best advice I could get in this situation. Thanks, man.
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