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CCP stll needs to do something about cloaks

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Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#301 - 2013-06-15 04:45:03 UTC
Create something that allows the finding of cloaked ships....simple...easy solution.

Only hurts afk ships

If your moving and alert...nothing to find


Problem solved
Gordon Esil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#302 - 2013-06-15 04:46:03 UTC
Please don't nerf cloaking! I just trained for it and I want to see how afk cloaking looks like Straight
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#303 - 2013-06-15 04:47:35 UTC
There is no viable solution to afk cloaking that won't utterly cripple active covert ops pilots who are scouting or spying.

Suck it up.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#304 - 2013-06-15 05:03:25 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
There is no viable solution to afk cloaking that won't utterly cripple active covert ops pilots who are scouting or spying.

Suck it up.

I disagree
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#305 - 2013-06-15 05:04:37 UTC
something as simple as a count down timer module that would need to be pressed to remain cloaked would be easy enough.
Ghazu
#306 - 2013-06-15 05:33:02 UTC
go cry to your landlord

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#307 - 2013-06-15 06:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: BoSau Hotim
OP:

I do have to agree with others and call you a nullbear. For the simple fact that you sound like a hisec carebear who posts how he hates bumpers/gankers/people who mine on the same rock as they are, and don't let him do what he wants to do in peace.

Think of it, and I'm not being sarcastic here, I am just trying to be a bit objective on this part:

I am in the MOST dangerous part of space (supposedly) and I want to rat/mine/mission in peace! I will not tolerate any unseen threat of any sort being in my system because it's not fair to me because I want to be able to live as hisec bears do too and know if anyone is in my system what ship they are in and where they are.

That really is what your post sounds like. I am sure you PvP, and fight wars and jump in to help your alliance out when needed, but you do not sound that way in your post. You sound like a hisec bear who wants nothing to disturb him while doing what he wants.

I lived in Null, I know what it is to have neut cloakers in my nice little quiet ratting system. I accept it as part of being in no security space... as it should be IMO

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2013-06-15 06:23:51 UTC
Johnny McCynoalt wrote:

Did....did you really just imply that ships with higher cost and skill requirements should not also be more powerful?

Are cheaper, easier to train ships supposed to be more powerful, then? Are all ships supposed to be equally powerful? Should a titan, which costs around 100 bil, just be a more expensive version of a free rookie ship, but with slightly different strengths/weaknesses/roles?

If more expensive, more skill-intensive ships are not supposed to be more powerful, why are they more expensive and why do they have higher skill requirements?

Would you have all ships cost exactly the same and have the exact same skill requirements, so that they can all be equally powerful?

In that case, why not just remove every ship but one from the game? We can all fly Ibises and enjoy perfect balance!

World of Warcraft is THAT way, sir.


Sorry this is from a while earlier but still gotta do it.

I'm not implying that higher cost ships with higher requirements shouldn't be more powerful. I'm implying that there shouldn't be one ship that is more powerful than everything else combined into one. It's unbalanced no matter how much it costs or how long the prereqs. Tell me, what is the counter to a Tech III cruiser? Anything besides another Tech III cruiser?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#309 - 2013-06-15 09:15:11 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
OP:

I do have to agree with others and call you a nullbear. For the simple fact that you sound like a hisec carebear who posts how he hates bumpers/gankers/people who mine on the same rock as they are, and don't let him do what he wants to do in peace.

Think of it, and I'm not being sarcastic here, I am just trying to be a bit objective on this part:

I am in the MOST dangerous part of space (supposedly) and I want to rat/mine/mission in peace! I will not tolerate any unseen threat of any sort being in my system because it's not fair to me because I want to be able to live as hisec bears do too and know if anyone is in my system what ship they are in and where they are.

That really is what your post sounds like. I am sure you PvP, and fight wars and jump in to help your alliance out when needed, but you do not sound that way in your post. You sound like a hisec bear who wants nothing to disturb him while doing what he wants.

I lived in Null, I know what it is to have neut cloakers in my nice little quiet ratting system. I accept it as part of being in no security space... as it should be IMO

So this is where a wormhole-er callsyou a nullbear because you aren't in a hardcore wormhole, right?

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#310 - 2013-06-15 09:53:14 UTC
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Mag's
Azn Empire
#311 - 2013-06-15 09:56:05 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
There is no viable solution to afk cloaking that won't utterly cripple active covert ops pilots who are scouting or spying.

Suck it up.

I disagree, something as simple as a count down timer module that would need to be pressed to remain cloaked would be easy enough.
You think me having to jump though hoops on my scout, because you rely on and misread local intel too much, isn't crippling? You also think you should have more intel, on top of what is already a powerful intel tool and believe that to be a balanced approach?

At least have an understanding of the mechanics being used, before suggesting bad ideas.

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Black Dranzer
#312 - 2013-06-15 10:01:47 UTC
People often say "Oh, an AFK cloaker is harmless."

A guy in a pod is harmless too. You can still hunt him down and kill him.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#313 - 2013-06-15 11:16:40 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
something as simple as a count down timer module that would need to be pressed to remain cloaked would be easy enough.

Let's add more tedious button mashing to Eve so this guy can feel safer!

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Doc Spectre
Doomheim
#314 - 2013-06-15 11:21:49 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
You guys posting here act like you never lived in null and never for a corp that cares about their KB. In most corps you can be kicked if you loose something to a cloaky. SOP for most corps to stay POS/docked up to prevent possible loss. So you go play your alt.

I agree with the OP. Interaction should be required to remain cloaked.

Kicked? **** em who the hell wants to be is a ****** corp with ******* rules like that? This is a game ffs.

And it's spelled lose not loose...
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#315 - 2013-06-15 11:33:03 UTC
Maybe it's just that I got my start as a w-space nomad. Long-term cloaking can be crucial to survival out there. Adding an arbitrary "yes, keep me cloaked" button is just silly.

Learn to be more alert.

Oh, and get in a corp that finds another response to a single cloaked vessel than "DOCK UP AND HIDE AND DON'T COME OUT OR WE WILL KICK YOU"

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#316 - 2013-06-15 11:36:35 UTC
Erutpar Ambient wrote:
Tell me, what is the counter to a Tech III cruiser? Anything besides another Tech III cruiser?


It depends on the role of the T3. Depending on fits, there are a lot of T2s and even battlecruisers that can go one-on-one with the right T3.

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Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#317 - 2013-06-15 11:36:51 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
You guys posting here act like you never lived in null and never for a corp that cares about their KB. In most corps you can be kicked if you loose something to a cloaky. SOP for most corps to stay POS/docked up to prevent possible loss. So you go play your alt.

I agree with the OP. Interaction should be required to remain cloaked.


No. We have been in proper null-sec corporations.

Those don't have such ****** rules that are only there cause otherwise carebears make stupid mistakes.


But really, if you corp kicks you on that reason...it's a **** corp anyway.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#318 - 2013-06-15 11:40:16 UTC
Stop whining about cloaks and local.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#319 - 2013-06-15 11:45:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
OP:

I do have to agree with others and call you a nullbear. For the simple fact that you sound like a hisec carebear who posts how he hates bumpers/gankers/people who mine on the same rock as they are, and don't let him do what he wants to do in peace.

Think of it, and I'm not being sarcastic here, I am just trying to be a bit objective on this part:

I am in the MOST dangerous part of space (supposedly) and I want to rat/mine/mission in peace! I will not tolerate any unseen threat of any sort being in my system because it's not fair to me because I want to be able to live as hisec bears do too and know if anyone is in my system what ship they are in and where they are.

That really is what your post sounds like. I am sure you PvP, and fight wars and jump in to help your alliance out when needed, but you do not sound that way in your post. You sound like a hisec bear who wants nothing to disturb him while doing what he wants.

I lived in Null, I know what it is to have neut cloakers in my nice little quiet ratting system. I accept it as part of being in no security space... as it should be IMO

So this is where a wormhole-er callsyou a nullbear because you aren't in a hardcore wormhole, right?



Sorry Alavaria, ya lost me on that one. I haven't said anything about wh'ers. I called him a nullbear because he wants his ratting to be almost as safe as a high sec missioner's system - by making sure no one else can be in there without his ability to know where they are and what ship they are flying.

takes the covert out of covert ops doesn't it?

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#320 - 2013-06-15 12:10:31 UTC
So many mindless boring ****** afk red cross shooting carebear tears in this thread makes my male parts giggle.


A couple ones sometimes tell me "yea I'm making 30/50/90M isk/h...." I can grantee you all I wish at that very same moment is that some guy jumps in the system and lights a stupid cyno to feck his day off.

WTF?- you guys go to null sec to kill red crosses again and again and again and again all day long???
You can make better isk killing mindless boring afk carebears farming red crosses with their shinnies.

Afraid of cloakers or can't deal with them?

GTFO to high sec asap before I find you, camp your system and get the crap out of your shinnies

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