Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Two nerfs that could be needed are a 33% scan res reduction and 25% ehp reduction. A lone miner would still most likely die to other players, but a miner fleet could be a deterrent.

With too high a dps and the same tank and scan res as before, these ships would be better choices for fleets than most combat ships.

Procurer/Skiff are well balanced for tank. They do require an escort in low/null/W-space but this is as intended. They can tank long enough for the escort to chase away attackers.

Retriever/Mackinaw are not balanced. They have too many HP's. They need a slight nerf to make the Procurer/Skiff more apealing in High sec

Covetor/Hulk are balanced with HP but lack a certain umph to make them actually appealing. A role bonus to Strip Miner/Ice harvester range would probably fit in really well with the "Fleet" role of this hull.

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I agree with you on the line of thinking but the details are different.

Covetor/ Hulk have too low a hold and no role bonus. You can't expect balance when you give huge bonus in the form of role to some ships and not others.

Ret and Mack are speed miners. Alone or in group they can tear through resources quicker than the other ships. You could debate they even beat hulks in that department because it's 8:1 before the Hulk catches up and unless you see mining Ops in the 100+ range, that will remain.

Proc and Skiff are a ******* brick. They defy most battleships in EHP and they have enough role bonus to make them still chug along. If you mine a lot in .5 space you can do this with a Skiff and you will still be there when Concord show up, short of a 12 man gank or something. I don't know if CCP look at EVE from an Empires standpoint and see .5 space as their deep space, so that's where the Proc and Skiff were seen as useful but once you get to low and null, Gank beats tank and it's more about what time do I mine and what time do I fight? You can't make them battle ready. Any of them.

There is a problem with this.

The high sec dynamic is obvious, in that the attack resistant exhumer is designed to outlast an attacker with Concord involved.

This dynamic fails badly in low and null sec. In theory Concord is replaced by escorts or some form of player defense.
In reality, twiddling your thumbs while waiting for a possible event is about the worst gameplay mechanic. It is for that reason, terminal boredom, that it doesn't happen.
Some rely on a second account for defense, but many simply use local to avoid threats so they can operate despite the lack of PvP support.

The Skiff / Procurer has no value without combat support. It can be Concord or player based, but it needs to be on call and show up when needed.
With the current game reality outside of high sec, this is a novelty ship because combat support is a novelty occurance.

It needs something that does not rely on unrealistic expectations of players to do roles they have shown themselves unwilling to do.

Why yes buff skiff but first nerf the hitpoints by about 90%.
Last think we need is ungankable ship that is very good and commonly used.

I think ORE company should think about designing and releasing new mining ship with more active defense capability due to growing market need of such ship, as it seems...

A procurer does what?

What pathetic cruiser can be eaten by the 25 bandwidth? A flight of light drones eating a cruiser says a lot about the cruiser pilot.
We have frigates with more combat ability.

As to this claim making the procurer viable as anything beyond a novelty outside of high sec, it fails.

0.0 belts need to be removed and replaced with annoms that are filled with rocks but also have lots of rats to kill... that way you keep the ratters happy and you provide defence for the miner.