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Confusion with industrial ships
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Neculai Patroclus
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-06-14 14:40:47 UTC
Hey there guys,

I'm quite new to the game and have some confusion with industrial ships. Their cargo hold doesn't seem to be that big. I'm looking at the industrial ships take the Amarr Bestower for example, i know its only T1 but its cargo hold seems rather low at 4800m3. So i was just wondering if i was wanting to haul my ore, wouldn't i be better just using a venture?

Thanks and sorry if this is a nooby quiestion
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#2 - 2013-06-14 14:51:56 UTC
Here is the bestower , that can hold 12684.75 m3. If you put some proper rigs - you can carry even more.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#3 - 2013-06-14 15:08:43 UTC
Base cargo holds are very small, yes, but when cargo fitted they hold much much more.

What you do is fit 3 cargo expansion rigs, and fill the ow slots with cargo expander modules. this really bumps up the max cargo. The smallest indy cargo wise is the badger, but even it can hold 20,000m3 when properly fit. the largest is the itty 5 which can hold 42,000m3 fit with T2 cargo rigs and T2 expanders. The most popular used to be the mammoth as it only needed racial indy to 4 while the itty 5 needs racial indy to 5. A mammoth can hold just over 27,000m3 fully cargo fit.
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#4 - 2013-06-14 15:16:26 UTC
Train Gallente Industrial to level 1 and use an Iteron MK.V.

Indus have not been rebalanced and are a bit silly at the moment. Anything but the Itty V is bad for the time being.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-06-14 15:30:41 UTC
Industrials are one of those ship classes where the base numbers are purely theoretical; they don't assume any racial industrial skill bonuses, while every racial industrial skill increases the cargohold capacity of the industrial ships. More to the point, the percentage cargo space boosts you get from the Medium Cargohold Optimization rigs and the Expanded Cargohold modules are mulplicative, not additive, and don't suffer stacking penalties like many combat module bonuses do.

The Bestower, which reads as having a native capacity of 4800 m3, can carry over 20,000 m3 with full cargohold rigs and low-slot modules, with just Amarr Industrial I. The Iteron Mark V, which reads as having a native capacity of 6000 m3, can hold over 32,000 with Gallente Industrial I and rigs and fittings, or over 36,000 at Gallente Industrial IV.

Of course, you might not always need that much capacity, and sometimes packing an industrial full isn't the smartest move.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#6 - 2013-06-14 19:48:27 UTC
As has already been noted fill the lows with Expanded Cargohold II's. The rigs help as well and currently the industrial with the largest hold with T1 rigs is the Iteron Mark V with a whopping 38 433 m3 with gallente industrial at 5. T2 rigs gives it 41 848 m3, but is kinda expensive.

One thing to note about both the Expanded Cargohold for lowslot and Cargohold Optimization rig is they reduce your armor and structure, making it easier to kill you. Don't ever transport high value items in them when fit for max cargo unless you don't mind loosing it.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#7 - 2013-06-15 04:54:52 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:
One thing to note about both the Expanded Cargohold for lowslot and Cargohold Optimization rig is they reduce your armor and structure, making it easier to kill you. Don't ever transport high value items in them when fit for max cargo unless you don't mind loosing it.


In addition to this, it is simply best to avoid transporting high value goods in industrials. Seek either the T2 Blockade Runners for medium sized higher value cargoes, a T3 cruiser for small, high value cargoes, or an Orca, freighter, or jump freighter for anything more, and try to keep your hold below 1b so as to reduce risk.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#8 - 2013-06-16 00:58:47 UTC
Neculai Patroclus wrote:
Hey there guys,

I'm quite new to the game and have some confusion with industrial ships. Their cargo hold doesn't seem to be that big. I'm looking at the industrial ships take the Amarr Bestower for example, i know its only T1 but its cargo hold seems rather low at 4800m3. So i was just wondering if i was wanting to haul my ore, wouldn't i be better just using a venture?

Thanks and sorry if this is a nooby quiestion


It's ok to ask nooby questions.

As others have pointed out, you shouldn't look at the base stats of industrial hulls. Instead, look at how many LOW slots they have, and how many RIG slots. Many industrial hulls have 4 or 5 LOW slots. Tech 1 industrials have 3 RIG slots, while Tech 2 ones have 2 RIG slots.

Get your calculator, or favourite spreadsheet, and calculate how big your cargo multiplier is if you utilize all those slots with Tech 2 Expanded Cargohold II in the LOW slots, and Tech 1 rigs in the RIG slots (Or T2 rigs if you feel the expense is acceptable). Also factor in the bonus from hull skill, e.g. Amarr Industrial, even though it's not very big (IIRC 5% per level). Keep in mind, these effects are not stacking penalized.

Then multiply this totalled-up multiplier with the base cargo capcity of the hull you're looking at. And you'll find that the end result is a lot more m3 than what your Venture can carry - and also much more flexible, since an industrial can carry anything, while the venture's special bay can only be used to move ore and gas.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#9 - 2013-06-16 00:59:59 UTC
Goldensaver wrote:
Kosetzu wrote:
One thing to note about both the Expanded Cargohold for lowslot and Cargohold Optimization rig is they reduce your armor and structure, making it easier to kill you. Don't ever transport high value items in them when fit for max cargo unless you don't mind loosing it.


In addition to this, it is simply best to avoid transporting high value goods in industrials. Seek either the T2 Blockade Runners for medium sized higher value cargoes, a T3 cruiser for small, high value cargoes, or an Orca, freighter, or jump freighter for anything more, and try to keep your hold below 1b so as to reduce risk.


I stopped using Blockade Runners completely, after their cargo holds were made unscannable, on the assumption that undocking in one makes potential gankers assume I'm carrying something so valuable that I don't want them to know what it is.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#10 - 2013-06-16 01:04:58 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Goldensaver wrote:
Kosetzu wrote:
One thing to note about both the Expanded Cargohold for lowslot and Cargohold Optimization rig is they reduce your armor and structure, making it easier to kill you. Don't ever transport high value items in them when fit for max cargo unless you don't mind loosing it.


In addition to this, it is simply best to avoid transporting high value goods in industrials. Seek either the T2 Blockade Runners for medium sized higher value cargoes, a T3 cruiser for small, high value cargoes, or an Orca, freighter, or jump freighter for anything more, and try to keep your hold below 1b so as to reduce risk.


I stopped using Blockade Runners completely, after their cargo holds were made unscannable, on the assumption that undocking in one makes potential gankers assume I'm carrying something so valuable that I don't want them to know what it is.

If you have an instant undock prepared, you just warp to that and cloak up after every jump. If done right, the odds of losing one are slim to none. Just be very careful anywhere you don't have an undock prepared.
Skorpynekomimi
#11 - 2013-06-16 09:01:22 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:

Of course, you might not always need that much capacity, and sometimes packing an industrial full isn't the smartest move.


I disagree. Sometimes, it's the best move if you want to give someone a lovely surprise on a gate. I once found a pile of ships and loot, including a few T2 modules and a fleet-issue Stabber on an industrial wreck.

Admittedly, I then went and did the same thing myself, but that's because I wasn't about to suspect-flag my orca.

Economic PVP
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#12 - 2013-06-16 09:39:41 UTC
now everyone can drive iteron mark V so there is no reason to use other industrial. So buy iteron slap cargohold expander and cargohold rig to int and enjoy 35k m3 of cargo on mere gallente industrial 4.
Balthasar Moreq
Incursions Missions and Mining
#13 - 2013-06-16 19:38:24 UTC
Iteron V, this is all.