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NSA Backdoor into US service providers.
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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2013-06-12 23:31:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Slade Trillgon wrote:
I know I have been monitored. And I am pretty sure I am on a 'list'. I have been pulled to the side, frisked, searched, and hassled every time I have flown since well before 911. I will say since about 1998. Interesting as that is about the time I used the internet to look up the Anarchist's Cookbook. Dooh!


Back in the '90s, when the Internets were young and I was more naive, I ordered that particular book from Amazon (out of simple and genuine curiosity), as well as a whole lot - and I mean a whole lot - of books on the subject of caring and growing a certain type of plant whose flowers can be dried up and smoked (as a hobby and for personal use only, I make a living otherwise).

I wonder what sort of lists my name ended up on Straight Anyways, it's a good thing I haven't been to the US since a long time ago, and currently have no plans of going back.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#122 - 2013-06-12 23:37:32 UTC
Seems Prism might have used a logo taken by the father of a Register contributor Lol

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#123 - 2013-06-12 23:51:24 UTC
Kirjava wrote:

Seems the public mood is now towards backing strong data protection acts in Europe. The result would effectively be companies working in the US forced to hand over data to the NSA, and be denied access to the EU. Or vice versa, support privacy and be denied access to the US market.


In most countries there are already laws that forbid the export of certain personal data for example for state administration. I can imagine this new "official" insights into the practices of certain agencies in the US will be a pretty good argument against software and services from the US. Local manufactures may profit from this.

Ok, that was just me dreaming about how they finally outlaw microsoft windows...
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#124 - 2013-06-13 02:25:59 UTC
"nobody cares about your business."

maybe that's what bothers some people.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#125 - 2013-06-13 02:36:12 UTC
Perhaps, but perhaps I also consider the potential corporate espionage effects on my portfolios future value. My BAE stock for instance would hardly perform well if Lockheed were tipped off as to their intents in SA for instance. This isn't only restricted to what someone does on the internet for kitten pictures.

The level of importance of an individual is hardly got any bearings on it, not everyone in power was in power or predictably on track for it from birth. By having a historical comprehensive database such as this any influential individual in future will have their data recorded from the beginning to the end, and apparently with no oversight beyond a rubber stamp secret judicial body.

What exactly is the intent of the NSA towards the rest of the world?

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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2013-06-13 02:37:16 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
"nobody cares about your business."


Until they do: German Girl Turned Away at Border Due to Private Facebook Messages
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#127 - 2013-06-13 03:06:01 UTC
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#128 - 2013-06-14 09:50:11 UTC
Recommend watching Question time this week, my home city its based out of this week.

General consensus from the audience and the non governmental parties was to either force American compliance with EU law or build a separate infrastructure.

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Commissar Akiga
Perkone
Caldari State
#129 - 2013-06-14 17:11:17 UTC
Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I have nothing to hide from an algorithm sifting through billions of requests a day, that or a man with no name.

The problem is do you trust who has that information? Most of the US don't because they're paranoid about the government kicking their doors down, flashbangs through the windows and hauling them off to Gitmo... But I guess fear sells, right?

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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#130 - 2013-06-14 17:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kijo Rikki
I'm just going to leave this here.

As an afterthought, sometimes people in very important positions make perplexing decisions. Now seems as good a time as any to don the tinfoil hat and wonder if this type of mass surveillance has ever been used to persuade powerful people to go along with bad ideas.

In the end, many people may not feel threatened by having their private conversations and messages archived. Indeed, so many of us just blatantly tell the world freely our every waking thought or the exact moment we are steaming up the bathroom walls or so many other seemingly meaningless things, it's like they welcome 1984 with open arms.

Perhaps they feel comfortable in the knowledge that this is a free and democratic society with rights afforded to them by the constitution, and they may change their minds if they felt their government was actively trying to undermine those very rights or if they felt the two party system offered only a mere illusion of choice. Is that where the United States of America is headed? I have my opinion, you have yours...they may differ or we may agree, but one thing is obvious: If indeed our governments intentions are malicious, the transformation will be covert, we may not even know we've become a captive society until it's too late.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Rain6636
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#131 - 2013-06-14 22:08:40 UTC
this made me laugh

BREAKING NEWS: United States military support for Syrian rebels will include small arms, ammunition and possibly anti-tank weapons, according to two officials familiar with the matter. The weapons will be provided by the CIA, the officials said. http://on.cnn.com/QZYZDc

cuz what, DHL is off for the weekend?

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#132 - 2013-06-14 22:17:53 UTC
I remember this story, the snappy young rebels are armed by the CIA to fight their oppressors. They then win the war with American help and stew for a while before attacking those that provided for them before.

This will not end well....

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Rain6636
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#133 - 2013-06-15 03:23:23 UTC
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#134 - 2013-06-15 04:55:09 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
I remember this story, the snappy young rebels are armed by the CIA to fight their oppressors. They then win the war with American help and stew for a while before attacking those that provided for them before.

This will not end well....


Creating new monsters is good for business if your business is scaring the hell out of your population and convincing them to ante up even more of their rapidly diminished freedom to your command and control.

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Suzu Fujibayashi
Happy Dudes
#135 - 2013-06-16 12:28:49 UTC
I wonder why no one posted that yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ9SprG3Nvg&t=1m10s
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
#136 - 2013-06-17 16:49:13 UTC
Guardian-Live chat with Snowden just ended:

"Thanks to everyone for their support, and remember that just because you are not the target of a surveillance program does not make it okay. The US Person / foreigner distinction is not a reasonable substitute for individualized suspicion, and is only applied to improve support for the program. This is the precise reason that NSA provides Congress with a special immunity to its surveillance."

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2013-06-17 16:53:04 UTC
Zhula Guixgrixks wrote:


"Thanks to everyone for their support, and remember that just because you are not the target of a surveillance program does not make it okay. The US Person / foreigner distinction is not a reasonable substitute for individualized suspicion, and is only applied to improve support for the program. This is the precise reason that NSA provides Congress with a special immunity to its surveillance."



I think it's too bad they still cling to the notion that congressional oversight or court approval would make all this OK.
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#138 - 2013-06-18 11:18:14 UTC
haha yeah, but it'll be ok cuz they know about it ...now. right? amirite?

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#139 - 2013-06-18 11:41:00 UTC
Don't worry, turns out we've been spying on Americans as they are foreign to us Big smile

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#140 - 2013-06-18 13:18:52 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Now seems as good a time as any to don the tinfoil hat and wonder if this type of mass surveillance has ever been used to persuade powerful people to go along with bad ideas.


Machiavelli outlined this centuries ago in his letter to a close friends son in the text The Prince.