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remember mimatar ships do half the dps when in falloff range.

I dont know what the op is talking about. But my talos is cap stable with 8 neutrons, and accelerates fast with a 10mn ab II on there and with my skills its over 550 m/s. If i plugged in snakes its just super lulz then.


But people need to stop with the cookie cutter blaster fits and think outside of the box for fitting on these new ships.

remember mimatar ships do half the dps when in falloff range.

I'm not saying blasters don't need more damage, but it needs t be balanced with range and speed mechanics.

Psst. The Talos works just fine as is. It isn't a solo boat, it is an upgraded gank Thorax. Put shield extender rigs and a large shield extender on it. 1300 dps non o/h that can effectively be applied to all targets larger than a frigate. Just don't get focused and you're fine. It's a small gang beast.

fine though that is the gallente are allegedlly an armour tanking race,if the ship is only any use if you go against that principle it is bad design and/or planning.


blaster barges either need to move quicker or take more damage,actually they need to do both

Personally I think the Gallente should be reworked into closerange combat monsters-- their ships' gimmicks should get bonuses to afterburners (let them do MWD-speeds with ABs so they're effectively scram-immune), scram range (already a thing with their recons), and web strength. Make them fall somewhere between Minmatar and the other races in terms of absolute speed, but with great agility and let them do it with ABs to they can go into fights at close range while maintaining some degree of GTFO factor.

Also, increase blaster dps so that it scales in proportion to the amount of range they give up. Currently Caldari have long range, capless weapons, but they don't do too much dps and they take time to hit a target, Amarr have long range weapons that sacrifice some DPS and cap use for great range, good tracking, instant-hit and fast reloads. Minmatar have mid-ranged weapons that have ****** reload times and pretty high dps, excellent tracking, damage selection, good effective range, and don't use cap. Gallente are stuck with cap-sucking weapons (less so now, I know) that track a lot like autocannons but do about the same dps with massively gimped range and with limited damage types and terrible reload times.

Caldari: ranged, medium dps, flexible damage / target applications (equivalent of tracking)
Amarr: long-ranged, medium dps, fixed damage types, good tracking
Minmatar: medium-ranged, high dps, flexible damage types, excellent tracking
Gallente: ultra-short ranged, marginally higher dps than ACs, similar tracking

I do mostly small gang work, so here's an example of ship selections I actually choose between on a daily basis that I think exhibits the problem pretty clearly (numbers are approximate and based on my eveguy with LG snakes and shieldtanked, nano fittings [since armor fits are more or less suicidal]):

- Cynabal: 20-30km optimal engagement range, ~350 dps in that range band, 3.1+ km/s, super agile, will track frigates and larger, fits a nice tank (all around fantastic skirmish ship), fights outside scram range
- Navy Omen: 20-30km optimal engagement range (scorch), ~450 dps, 2.4km/s, fairly agile, tracks frigates and larger, fights outside scram range
- Machariel: 20-45km optimal engagement range, ~600-800 dps in that band, 2.4km/s, cruiser-level agility, tracks cruisers and larger (will kill frigates outside ~30km as well), fights outside scram range
Pulse apoc: 30-90km optimal engagement range, ~450 dps, slow, fairly fat, tracks cruisers and larger and doesn't need speed / agility since it can snipe, fights out of tackle range period

...and then we have blaster boats:

- Vigilant: 5-10km optimal engagement range, ~300-600 dps in that band, 2.6km/s, super agile, will track frigates and larger, extremely low EHP (~18k total-- 4k ehp less than a Vaga, ~10k less than a Cynabal), fights in scram range
Vindicator: 5-15km optimal engagement range, ~550-900 dps in that band, ~2km/s BC/nano-BS like agility, tracks cruisers and larger, fights in scram range

I'm not even gonna talk about other blaster boats since the Vindicator and Vigilant are pretty much better than them in every way. As you can see, in terms of usefulness, there is literally no reason other than novelty value that one would ever choose to fly a blaster boat. With the exception of absurdly well-fit active tanked gimmick ships (the deasdspace-fit, dual-rep injected vindicator, deadspace-fit 100mn AB strat-cruiser fits, etc) slow, armor tanked setups are near-suicidal due to their lack of speed / inability to disengage from fights. Only shield / nano fittings give blasterboats the speed and agility they need to get *into* an engagement properly (though not the ability to get out if it goes south), and to achieve these levels of speed and agility they must sacrifice nearly all their tank or their ability to tackle (sometimes both-- look at the Deimos). Then there's the fact that all these blaster setups need to engage inside scram range, which means that in all but the most controlled situations (say, a small gang with ECM support engaging a lone hostile ship) you're pretty likely to get tackled and die horribly.

In contrast, look at Minmatar ships. Minmatar ships trade a little bit of dps (10-15%) in exchange for greater speed, greater agility, bigger tanks, slot layouts that favor usable setups, capless weapons, what equates to "the same or better" tracking when you consider the different optimal ranges of autocannons, and, most importantly, the ability to do full damage from outside scram and web range (or in the case of the Mach, outside tackle range of any non-recon ship). The comparison between the Mach and the Vindicator is particularly instructive-- when you look at the fits I usually fly (which involve using one highslot for a utility module), the Vindicator actually does *less* dps than the Mach (with 8 guns it only does a hair more-- ~1050 dps as opposed to the Mach's 900-something), has drastically shorter range (it can't do much dps past ~20km), has to fight in scram range, fits a smaller tank, has worse scan res, and is about half as fast / agile. The slightly increased damage output is simply not worth the massive risk increase of having to fight in scram range in a slow, fat ship.

Im no expert, but the more people write about this, I think ultimately the simple fixes are the best. Other fixes, which might be better, are just going to be too complicated for CCP to implement. So, a summary of the simple ideas that will help are:

1. Increase blaster damage and tracking to obscene levels. + 50% at least.
2. Increase speed on all Gallente boats. They have to be the fastest (or close to) if they have the shortest range.

It doesnt fix our tanking or drone issues, but it makes our ships feared again, at least in their limited roles. No one will want to get close and if they do, they will be sure to pay. Its something at least.

Giving gallente a FAST specialized web drone that is actually useful may be helpful too. If we have good blaster damage, we can spare drones for projecting a web...