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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#1 - 2013-06-11 19:19:09 UTC

I'd like clarification on this:

If we invited another tourney team to spar as practice, is that against the rules?

It was, then it wasn't, then no B teams, now B teams aren't an issue...

So, what's the verdict on sparring against another tourney team outside of official matches?
Corine Noas
Galaxy in danger proj.
#2 - 2013-06-12 07:42:16 UTC
Wondering as well.

Considering the fact that AT test server systems are not limited to single alliance and p/w can be shared.
CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2013-06-12 11:28:21 UTC
You are free to practice with another team as much as you want as long as you are not colluding in the tournament. That is, practice together but don't throw matches. If we suspect that collusion is going on we will contact the teams in question and sort it out.

eSports Coordinator for the EVE Universe & Community Specialist
CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2013-06-12 16:26:34 UTC
CCP Bro wrote:
You are free to practice with another team as much as you want as long as you are not colluding in the tournament. That is, practice together but don't throw matches. If we suspect that collusion is going on we will contact the teams in question and sort it out.


Also, you can spar with each other, but teams are still not allowed to be run by the same people, share the same theory forums, live out of the same POS, etc. Teams that are sparring must first be completely separate teams.

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Kadesh Priestess
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#5 - 2013-06-13 07:18:28 UTC
CCP Dolan wrote:
CCP Bro wrote:
You are free to practice with another team as much as you want as long as you are not colluding in the tournament. That is, practice together but don't throw matches. If we suspect that collusion is going on we will contact the teams in question and sort it out.


Also, you can spar with each other, but teams are still not allowed to be run by the same people, share the same theory forums, live out of the same POS, etc. Teams that are sparring must first be completely separate teams.
Are teams allowed to use actual setups (which are designed to use during tourney) when sparring, or they should use fake ones?
Corine Noas
Galaxy in danger proj.
#6 - 2013-06-13 14:24:33 UTC
CCP Dolan wrote:
CCP Bro wrote:
You are free to practice with another team as much as you want as long as you are not colluding in the tournament. That is, practice together but don't throw matches. If we suspect that collusion is going on we will contact the teams in question and sort it out.


Also, you can spar with each other, but teams are still not allowed to be run by the same people, share the same theory forums, live out of the same POS, etc. Teams that are sparring must first be completely separate teams.

Great. You've created more questions than answers What?

1. What POSes do you mean? Considering each team will get a p/w'ed system with I assume a station? Will other alliance members (who p/w will be shared with) will be allowed to dock there?
2. If team A practices against team B with a, say, caldari kite setup vs matar rush and team A realizes B's matar setup is better than A's own matar rush one, will changing own setup to the better B version will be considered a violation? Is this considered to be a shared/stolen setup case?
3. If team A practices with team B , say, every evening for 2-3 hours just because the participans feel equally skilled against each other - is this considered as breaking the rules? Or not until any matches are arranged and/or thrown?

Please clarify with more details on the subj.
Would be great to get a list of exact actions that will be penalized by tournament organizers.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#7 - 2013-06-13 14:26:38 UTC
Kadesh Priestess wrote:
CCP Dolan wrote:
CCP Bro wrote:
You are free to practice with another team as much as you want as long as you are not colluding in the tournament. That is, practice together but don't throw matches. If we suspect that collusion is going on we will contact the teams in question and sort it out.


Also, you can spar with each other, but teams are still not allowed to be run by the same people, share the same theory forums, live out of the same POS, etc. Teams that are sparring must first be completely separate teams.
Are teams allowed to use actual setups (which are designed to use during tourney) when sparring, or they should use fake ones?


I took it mean,

Yes, you are allowed to spar with each other, using "real setups", in a full out competitive manner.

Don't go sharing all your theory, setups, and knowledge with that sparring partner.
Don't prefit ships for your partners to fly,

Essentially,
Don't share your tourney resources, and certainly don't throw matches against one another in the real tourney!


This would be my guidelines on how to make a separate team that spars regularly with another opponent:

First, Setup your own team:
1.) Identify the Standard Setups regularly fielded in the tourney: for example, from the ATX, we may expect:
Blap Battleships (a core team using Vindi, Kronos, and/or Vargurs)
Control Team (Widows, Rooks, et al)
Minmatar Rush (Sleipnirs, Canes, et al)
.... + whatever else you think people are likely to field.

2.) Prep your own tweaked and fully functional version of the setups above. Identify their strengths and weaknesses!
3.) Prep your wild card setups (if you want to).
4.) Practice, Practice, Practice, pitting your setups against all the regularly fielded teams.

If you spar with a competitor, you then have a list of teams to practice with and/or against. If they have done steps 1-4, then you two can spar all day, and not violate CCP's rules. Just be sure not to give your setups to your competitor!!!
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#8 - 2013-06-13 14:38:11 UTC
Corine Noas wrote:
CCP Dolan wrote:
CCP Bro wrote:
You are free to practice with another team as much as you want as long as you are not colluding in the tournament. That is, practice together but don't throw matches. If we suspect that collusion is going on we will contact the teams in question and sort it out.


Also, you can spar with each other, but teams are still not allowed to be run by the same people, share the same theory forums, live out of the same POS, etc. Teams that are sparring must first be completely separate teams.

Great. You've created more questions than answers What?

1. What POSes do you mean? Considering each team will get a p/w'ed system with I assume a station? Will other alliance members (who p/w will be shared with) will be allowed to dock there?

This is a reference to the banning of two prominant AT Team in ATX. They moved into a WH together, joined the same corp, and shared resources out of a POS.

The equivalent in todays scenario, would be joining the same corp as a competitor, and sharing fits out of a corp hangar!

Your system is PW Protected, so you should be more than able to keep all your stuffs private! I'm not sure how the PW system will function yet, but it sounds like the team captain gets to name a PW for your system, and only pilots that enter the PW into their Starbase PW will be able to jump into system.

Corine Noas wrote:

2. If team A practices against team B with a, say, caldari kite setup vs matar rush and team A realizes B's matar setup is better than A's own matar rush one, will changing own setup to the better B version will be considered a violation? Is this considered to be a shared/stolen setup case?


Of course not... This is a silly question...
If however, you ask Team B for their ship fittings, etc... and they simply give it to you, then it is crossing the line.
And honestly, if you fight against a setup you think is better, you should be asking yourself, how do I beat that setup, NOT how do I field that setup.... You'll go much farther in the tourney then!

Corine Noas wrote:

3. If team A practices with team B , say, every evening for 2-3 hours just because the participans feel equally skilled against each other - is this considered as breaking the rules? Or not until any matches are arranged and/or thrown?

Please clarify with more details on the subj.
Would be great to get a list of exact actions that will be penalized by tournament organizers.


Why are you toeing the line? Limit practice with a single competitor to 2-3x a week, don't share team setups and/or discussion forums, think for yourself, and if you meet them in the tourney, go for the throat!
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2013-06-13 22:11:09 UTC
In short, go for the win for your own team. We'll be watching from the sidelines (ceiling Fozzie is watching you practice) and if we see questionable things we'll be getting in touch with you directly to talk and clarify as needed.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

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Admiral Goberius
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-06-14 08:08:24 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
In short, go for the win for your own team. We'll be watching from the sidelines (ceiling Fozzie is watching you practice) and if we see questionable things we'll be getting in touch with you directly to talk and clarify as needed.


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Corine Noas
Galaxy in danger proj.
#11 - 2013-06-14 23:45:48 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
In short, go for the win for your own team. We'll be watching from the sidelines (ceiling Fozzie is watching you practice) and if we see questionable things we'll be getting in touch with you directly to talk and clarify as needed.

TY

Would be great if u asked questions or gave warnings before removing teams from the competition, in case you have any concerns regarding certain teams' cooperation.