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Akatenshi Xi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-06-14 00:26:15 UTC
I've played EVE Online for several years now on several accounts and I have found myself questioning why I play quite a bit the past year I have been here. It was all shiny and new at first, then I learned a few things and it became more interesting. That is just about where my journey in EVE stopped.

Once you figure out most things in EVE it becomes very stale. They advertise on the box how fabulous the game is but you truly are a drop in the bucket along with a **** ton of other drops in the bucket. There is honestly no incentive to run a corporation, high sec is saturated with thousands of 5 men corps all advertising the same thing. There is nothing that sets any of them apart and none of them had to honestly do anything tremendous to make their corp and keep it. Any noob with a little bit of isk and some free time can start a corp. There is no barrier to entry as in real business. Any Joe Blow can make a corp and this is how we got here on that.

I was looking through things and saw that my skills for Dreadnoughts and Carriers is now screwed up on both toons. Days ago before the patch I was a stones throw away from flying both vessels and now I am almost 2 months away on one toon and three weeks away on the other. I trained all winter to get skills decent for this stuff and now I get added basically three plex worth of extra training I have to go through. Utter bullshit. Stay on your training queue, always have a skill training, make sure you have a skill plan, for what? So CCP can monkeyfuck you when you're about to sit a ship you've always wanted to fly?

Game has really went down the hole. After you have a certain amount of time or experience in the game, it isn't worth logging in anymore.


CCP should do the game a favor and stop, just turn the servers on and make sure they run. Stop ******* the game up.


Trolls: Say what you want, I don't give a flying frigate. Show your own ass if you want.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-06-14 01:44:48 UTC
What, specifically, would you have your humble elected representatives do?

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

Akatenshi Xi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-06-14 02:51:25 UTC
I want to be able to fly my Dread again. Also would like to be an inch from flying the ships I was able to almost fly, instead of being another mile away again. It honestly is not fair. CCP toys around with these virtual assets and it doesn't mean much to them. They play with them everyday basically in God Mode. They are disconnected and out of touch with the EVE Community. I'm sure they have their own accounts and toy around with things in game but probably not like they used to before they worked at CCP. I work hard for what I have in game and I come to have fun, not make this a second job. I applaud they had a post up in the forum but I don't have time to catch up and digest all this stuff. There is a lot on this forum and I have more to do in life than read all of this. I have done nothing wrong and yet I am basically penalized.

This isn't like I'm complaining about not being able to fly some destroyer or frigate here, I'll say again these were capitals. Take a long time to train into them and a **** ton of isk to buy the ships and skill books. These are serious investments in the EVE Universe. So like I said, I want to be able to fly my Dreadnought again on my alt. I want to be a touch away from flying the other caps I was almost able to and trained up to as well on both toons.

I know that any business that is reputable back here in the USA would more than likely fix this problem and then some. I'd probably be able to fly both carrier and dread on both my toons but this is CCP. I honestly doubt they'd even fix it how it was, let alone compensate for yet another screw up of theirs to try to keep their customers interested and happy.

And those little gift packages CCP gives everyone isn't keeping anyone around. Lol. Keep doing things like this there won't be many people around. Who would want to make the time investment into a game company that's going to bend them over and have their way with them?
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#4 - 2013-06-14 04:02:38 UTC
Carriers are no better really. Eve is the only game with carriers I've heard of where carriers don't carry people into combat.

Instead we end up with jump bridges which makes the projection of power endless and with no risk.

The previous nerf is obviously kind of ridiculous, I've never been in a fleet where we were caught in the 1 jump between jump bridge systems - although I'm sure it's happened. However, it's so rare, I can say I've never seen it.

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dark heartt
#5 - 2013-06-14 04:23:00 UTC
Akatenshi Xi wrote:
I want to be able to fly my Dread again. Also would like to be an inch from flying the ships I was able to almost fly, instead of being another mile away again. It honestly is not fair. CCP toys around with these virtual assets and it doesn't mean much to them. They play with them everyday basically in God Mode. They are disconnected and out of touch with the EVE Community. I'm sure they have their own accounts and toy around with things in game but probably not like they used to before they worked at CCP. I work hard for what I have in game and I come to have fun, not make this a second job. I applaud they had a post up in the forum but I don't have time to catch up and digest all this stuff. There is a lot on this forum and I have more to do in life than read all of this. I have done nothing wrong and yet I am basically penalized.

This isn't like I'm complaining about not being able to fly some destroyer or frigate here, I'll say again these were capitals. Take a long time to train into them and a **** ton of isk to buy the ships and skill books. These are serious investments in the EVE Universe. So like I said, I want to be able to fly my Dreadnought again on my alt. I want to be a touch away from flying the other caps I was almost able to and trained up to as well on both toons.

I know that any business that is reputable back here in the USA would more than likely fix this problem and then some. I'd probably be able to fly both carrier and dread on both my toons but this is CCP. I honestly doubt they'd even fix it how it was, let alone compensate for yet another screw up of theirs to try to keep their customers interested and happy.

And those little gift packages CCP gives everyone isn't keeping anyone around. Lol. Keep doing things like this there won't be many people around. Who would want to make the time investment into a game company that's going to bend them over and have their way with them?


So you were one of those affected by not reading this post dated 06/03/12 (so well over a year ago), and this reminder post dated 07/02/13. How is that CCPs fault that you didn't take the time to read the information for changes that were posted a over a year ago?

Honestly, I'm in the same boat as you with capitals. I was reasonably close to being able to fly them and after the patch I'm a lot further away from them. But that doesn't give you or me the right to complain that changes that were well documented over a year in advance were implemented.

Also the whole "any business that is reputable in the USA would fix this problem and then some" is just more whining about your mistake. The posts you have made in this thread are extremely rage induced, and smell of a CCP took away my toy so I'm going to rage on the forums about it.

Also:
Quote:
Once you figure out most things in EVE it becomes very stale. They advertise on the box how fabulous the game is but you truly are a drop in the bucket along with a **** ton of other drops in the bucket. There is honestly no incentive to run a corporation, high sec is saturated with thousands of 5 men corps all advertising the same thing. There is nothing that sets any of them apart and none of them had to honestly do anything tremendous to make their corp and keep it. Any noob with a little bit of isk and some free time can start a corp. There is no barrier to entry as in real business. Any Joe Blow can make a corp and this is how we got here on that.


In Eve you don't have your hand held with content. You go out into the sandbox and make your own content. That's why we have a massive war going on in the south of Eve at the moment. That's why player run groups like RvB are so successful. That's why a group of new players who have started working together (Brave Newbies) have become well known. The only measure of success in Eve is the bar you set for yourself.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-06-14 04:35:04 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234

That's the dev blog announcing the ship skill changes with incredible detail, to the point of even having side-by-side images of the old ship requirements vs. the new ones.

One thing important to note is the date it was posted - 7th of February. That's right, FEBRUARY. CCP gave all of us well over 3 MONTHS of heads-up not only that changes were coming, but what the exact changes were. Reading this at any point between February and June isn't "second job" material.

I'm also really curious how completely awful your cap pilots are if suddenly you're multiple months away from flying in one when you were "nearly there" before the patch. Did none of your pilots have JDO V? I mean I guess I could see how a really really bad Dread pilot might not have AWU V for a Siege module, but even then that's like 20 days tops.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Akatenshi Xi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-06-14 12:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Akatenshi Xi
I got a wife, kid, job, and other obligations than to be a forum whore here at the EVE Forums. I catch the occasional article on EVE News and sometimes things on here, but I don't have the time to keep up with this ****. Maybe CCP could find a better way to inform their customers of changes coming before people are affected by them?

If you have time to no life around this huge forum and other sites to collect all the information, more power to ya -- I don't however.

One of my friends said we should be able to fly what we could before, even if we don't have the skills to fly it now. But CCP has really pissed me off over adding months of to my skill training for no ******* reason. **** CCP. I did everything right and what I was supposed to do. Why should I keep returning for **** like this? Then when I ask for help its my own ******* fault cause I'm not a NO LIFER?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#8 - 2013-06-14 14:17:19 UTC
Akatenshi Xi wrote:
Maybe CCP could find a better way to inform their customers of changes coming before people are affected by them?


You don't have to read the forums, you can just read the devblogs themselves.

If you don't want to do that, that's fine, but you need to accept that this is a game where choosing to leave yourself uninformed can lead to you missing out on opportunities that others will gladly take.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Akatenshi Xi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-06-14 15:30:03 UTC
Well excuse the eff outta me. I guess I should have the devblog bookmarked and sit around waiting for the next post to digest instead of doing the rest of my life and still try to squeeze in a few hours to play the game.

Keep alienating your fanbase CCP. New games will come out and youll struggle to keep customers.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-06-14 16:00:02 UTC
No, but if you wish to keep informed as to the changes of a MMO, you should probably at least skim the dev blog topics. Things like "The Great Ship Skill Changes of 2013", for example, might have warranted looking at? There's even RSS feeds for just about every category of News on the site.

They aren't alienating their fanbase because you're too disinterested and lazy to even glance at the extremely detailed amount of information those devblogs give the rest of us on a regular basis. They gave us MONTHS of notice for the exact specifics of the changes (and many months of notice prior that things would be changing, i.e. a reason to keep an eye out for more recent devblogs). Short of actually calling you at home and explaining to you the details, there isn't really a way they could better inform the playerbase.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#11 - 2013-06-14 17:02:49 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
What, specifically, would you have your humble elected representatives do?



Sounds like "help box up the servers?"

So this seems like another "ship skills changed and killed my kitten" post. I have to admit I missed at least one change myself and had a skill to pick up with one alt. But as I understand it if you could fly it before you still can, what seemed to change is that to get the skill if you didn't have it already can be different. (I think I tested this in the one case I was caught by).

But as many posters have mentioned trying to be aware of changes coming up in the game is a good way to maximize your enjoyment, particularly in a game as complex as Eve. The "leaf on the wind" model of game play is always a bad idea in Eve. Eve has way to many moving parts that are deliberately always being balanced to just sit back, cross your fingers and hope all your space toys stay the same.

CCP, if the original poster convinces you to shut down Eve can I have your RL stuff? I could use a giant memory disk caching thing at home!

Issler
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2013-06-14 21:59:40 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Short of actually calling you at home and explaining to you the details, there isn't really a way they could better inform the playerbase.

I can hear it now: "CCP tried calling me but I have work and a family. Why should I have to take time away from work, dinner, or watching TV to wait around by the phone for CCP to call me?"

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#13 - 2013-06-14 22:39:26 UTC
Akatenshi Xi wrote:
Well excuse the eff outta me. I guess I should have the devblog bookmarked and sit around waiting for the next post to digest instead of doing the rest of my life and still try to squeeze in a few hours to play the game.

Keep alienating your fanbase CCP. New games will come out and youll struggle to keep customers.


You had 15 months. Sorry you couldn't find a few minutes free in that time.


Well I say "sorry". Actually I'm laughing derisively at your refusal to realise or admit to yourself that you dun goofed.

Anyway, carry on getting mad if you enjoy it. You might as well for all the good or harm it will do.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#14 - 2013-06-14 22:47:04 UTC
Cry more.

The Tears Must Flow

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#15 - 2013-06-14 23:33:27 UTC
Aside from what's already been said, you see the launcher? And how it show new dev blogs on the right hand side when they get posted?

Oh, you don't use the launcher, right? But it's still CCP's fault, of course.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

dark heartt
#16 - 2013-06-15 02:41:47 UTC
Akatenshi Xi wrote:
I got a wife, kid, job, and other obligations than to be a forum ***** here at the EVE Forums. I catch the occasional article on EVE News and sometimes things on here, but I don't have the time to keep up with this ****. Maybe CCP could find a better way to inform their customers of changes coming before people are affected by them?

If you have time to no life around this huge forum and other sites to collect all the information, more power to ya -- I don't however.

One of my friends said we should be able to fly what we could before, even if we don't have the skills to fly it now. But CCP has really pissed me off over adding months of to my skill training for no ******* reason. **** CCP. I did everything right and what I was supposed to do. Why should I keep returning for **** like this? Then when I ask for help its my own ******* fault cause I'm not a NO LIFER?


You can still fly what you could before, but you couldn't fly those ships, and now the skills requirements for them have changed.

It's not hard to read dev blogs, most of them are short, and even if you just skim the titles you can find the information. I have a wife, work a full time job and still find time to read devblogs (as I log in I skim the titles on the side of the launcher to see if anything interests me). But beyond that I am more engaged in the community and actually listen to advice from people to train things like all the frigate and cruiser skills to get all of the racial destroyer and battlecruiser skills.

Also calling people who post on the forums no lifers is pretty funny to me mate. I have a particularly good life: I'm married, work full time, can afford to pay for my hobbies and have a good group of friends. I've got my life sorted.

Quote:
Well excuse the eff outta me. I guess I should have the devblog bookmarked and sit around waiting for the next post to digest instead of doing the rest of my life and still try to squeeze in a few hours to play the game.

Keep alienating your fanbase CCP. New games will come out and youll struggle to keep customers.


Seems to be the only person being alienated at the moment is you...
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-06-15 07:01:15 UTC
Akatenshi Xi wrote:

I know that any business that is reputable back here in the USA would more than likely fix this problem and then some. I'd probably be able to fly both carrier and dread on both my toons but this is CCP. I honestly doubt they'd even fix it how it was, let alone compensate for yet another screw up of theirs to try to keep their customers interested and happy.



someone has neve dealt with Blizzard, Activision, Electronic Arts, Bethesda, Gearbox, Cryptic Studios, or really any company that can get away with puttings its ustomer service in north-eastern US or India.

In fact, companies can get away with a whole lot more "go F yourself" to customers than in most countries.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-06-15 15:40:20 UTC
Hey CCP don't change anything whatsoever because some scrub with his head buried in the sand for 18 months might miss out on all the warnings and information and ragequit.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#19 - 2013-06-25 01:09:43 UTC
Akatenshi Xi wrote:
I want to be able to fly my Dread again. Also would like to be an inch from flying the ships I was able to almost fly, instead of being another mile away again. It honestly is not fair. CCP toys around with these virtual assets and it doesn't mean much to them. They play with them everyday basically in God Mode. They are disconnected and out of touch with the EVE Community. I'm sure they have their own accounts and toy around with things in game but probably not like they used to before they worked at CCP. I work hard for what I have in game and I come to have fun, not make this a second job. I applaud they had a post up in the forum but I don't have time to catch up and digest all this stuff. There is a lot on this forum and I have more to do in life than read all of this. I have done nothing wrong and yet I am basically penalized.

This isn't like I'm complaining about not being able to fly some destroyer or frigate here, I'll say again these were capitals. Take a long time to train into them and a **** ton of isk to buy the ships and skill books. These are serious investments in the EVE Universe. So like I said, I want to be able to fly my Dreadnought again on my alt. I want to be a touch away from flying the other caps I was almost able to and trained up to as well on both toons.

I know that any business that is reputable back here in the USA would more than likely fix this problem and then some. I'd probably be able to fly both carrier and dread on both my toons but this is CCP. I honestly doubt they'd even fix it how it was, let alone compensate for yet another screw up of theirs to try to keep their customers interested and happy.

And those little gift packages CCP gives everyone isn't keeping anyone around. Lol. Keep doing things like this there won't be many people around. Who would want to make the time investment into a game company that's going to bend them over and have their way with them?


Am I supposed to ask for your stuff now or later?Twisted

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson