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Glad I bought the Collector's Edition of EVE. Competition commits suicide.
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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#1 - 2013-06-14 19:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
Elder Scrolls online just made a promise that will lead them down the road to failure then F2P within a year.

"Linear Loot Progression"

There has only been a handful of games that have suceeded wtih this model, WoW being one of them.

The list of failed MMOs that use this system is too immense to fit in a single post.

This is my plea to CCP, who is currently developing "World of Darkness".

DO NOT ADOPT A LINEAR LOOT PROGRESSION MODEL.

or if you do, make it a temporary one, I am aware that to some extent EVE uses linear loot progression, T1, m1-4, T2, faction, and officer.

But the short-term ownership of these modules keeps the game fresh.

I login to EVE today with a renewed respect for the sandbox, Thanks again CCP =)

Now with 100% less Troll.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2 - 2013-06-14 19:47:08 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
Elder Scrolls online just made a promise that will lead them down the road to failure then F2P within a year.

"Linear Loot Progression"

There has only been a handful of games that have suceeded wtih this model, WoW being one of them.

The list of failed MMOs that use this system is too immense to fit in a single post.

This is my plea to CCP, who is currently developing "World of Darkness".

DO NOT ADOPT A LINEAR LOOT PROGRESSION MODEL.

or if you do, make it a temporary one, I am aware that to some extent EVE uses linear loot progression, T1, m1-4, T2, faction, and officer.

But the short-term ownership of these modules keeps the game fresh.



If the WOD background is anything to go by, it will be as cutthroat and backstabby as EvE on a good night.



"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2013-06-14 19:48:01 UTC
One does not simply post in GD after smoking ones lunch.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#4 - 2013-06-14 20:23:39 UTC
What in the sweet fucken baby Jesus is this sh!t thread about?!

StraightQuestion
Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-06-14 20:33:41 UTC
Ahh Tom, I was beginning to think someone had turned you off but finally, alas, you make a thread.
JamesCLK
#6 - 2013-06-14 20:35:01 UTC
Mr. Orange wrote:
What in the sweet fucken baby Jesus is this sh!t thread about?!

StraightQuestion


Tiered loot progression.

Essentially TESO has a case of purple legendary item syndrome.

-- -.-- / -.-. .-.. --- -. . / .. ... / - --- --- / . -..- .--. . -. ... .. ...- . / - --- / ..- -. -.. --- -.-. -.- / ... - --- .--. / .--. .-.. . .- ... . / ... . -. -.. / .... . .-.. .--. / ... - --- .--.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#7 - 2013-06-14 21:24:36 UTC
JamesCLK wrote:
Mr. Orange wrote:
What in the sweet fucken baby Jesus is this sh!t thread about?!

StraightQuestion


Tiered loot progression.

Essentially TESO has a case of purple legendary item syndrome.


Yep.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Capt Tenguru10
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-06-14 21:28:16 UTC
Tbh I'm prob leving eve for WoD , eve I boring and has hit it's high points. I'm looking forward to the new CCP vampire in space game.

http://i.imgur.com/EYX5Zi7.gif
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#9 - 2013-06-14 21:31:47 UTC
On the other hand, GW2 originally did not have tiered loot progression, but have since incorporated it. There are plenty of people who enjoy chasing carrots and they are heavily populated in the MMO scene.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
GreenSeed
#10 - 2013-06-14 21:42:04 UTC
what kills MMOs is the disease of the "end game", what keeps EVE apart from all the garbage MMOs out there is the lack of "end game".

"end game" and all the ******** chipmunks that as soon as a new MMO is announced ask "but, but, what is the end game like?" are the reason so many great franchises die horribly.

good thing those weaklings get weeded out withing 5 minutes of playing eve.
Naomi Hale
#11 - 2013-06-14 22:05:39 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
Elder Scrolls online just made a promise that will lead them down the road to failure then F2P within a year.

"Linear Loot Progression"

There has only been a handful of games that have suceeded wtih this model, WoW being one of them.

The list of failed MMOs that use this system is too immense to fit in a single post.

This is my plea to CCP, who is currently developing "World of Darkness".

DO NOT ADOPT A LINEAR LOOT PROGRESSION MODEL.

or if you do, make it a temporary one, I am aware that to some extent EVE uses linear loot progression, T1, m1-4, T2, faction, and officer.

But the short-term ownership of these modules keeps the game fresh.

I login to EVE today with a renewed respect for the sandbox, Thanks again CCP =)

Not sure I understand what you mean by linear loot progression?

And are there alternatives?

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#12 - 2013-06-14 22:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Brujo Loco
Mr. Orange wrote:
What in the sweet fucken baby Jesus is this sh!t thread about?!

StraightQuestion


its a Tom Thread ... what you said just sums it up nicely ... you new here? Big smile

Ed: I like his threads, make me want to watch this more

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-06-14 22:13:38 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
On the other hand, GW2 originally did not have tiered loot progression, but have since incorporated it. There are plenty of people who enjoy chasing carrots and they are heavily populated in the MMO scene.


I must admit I thought it was a nice touch when WoW actually made a reward item a literal carrot on a stick. Not that most players there would get the irony.
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#14 - 2013-06-14 23:47:17 UTC
Savage Angel wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:
On the other hand, GW2 originally did not have tiered loot progression, but have since incorporated it. There are plenty of people who enjoy chasing carrots and they are heavily populated in the MMO scene.


I must admit I thought it was a nice touch when WoW actually made a reward item a literal carrot on a stick. Not that most players there would get the irony.

WoW became a joke the moment a player a mere 5 levels above you could ignore your attacks and the one-shot you.
Jon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#15 - 2013-06-15 00:16:49 UTC
I think CCP should have kept EVE pure, which would have given them a rabid, universally positive, word-of-mouth fanbase on which to launch other more 'unsavory' products.

Who could know.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#16 - 2013-06-15 00:20:35 UTC
Jon Ferguson wrote:
I think CCP should have kept EVE pure, which would have given them a rabid, universally positive, word-of-mouth fanbase on which to launch other more 'unsavory' products.

Who could know.


... Pure? and in... before the Americans found out about EVE?

Now with 100% less Troll.
Lilliana Stelles
#17 - 2013-06-15 00:35:09 UTC
Linear loot progression means probably no thievery or item destruction.

My entire goal for elder scrolls online was to stay in the cities and pickpocket loot off of experienced players while dodging the guards (concord).

Now that I see that I can't play the game in a reasonable way, I'll just stick to EVE and wait for WOD as my next on-foot mmo.

Not a forum alt. 
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-06-15 01:54:32 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
There has only been a handful of games that have suceeded wtih this model, WoW being one of them.

The list of failed MMOs that use this system is too immense to fit in a single post.


WoW is the #1 MMO, period. It can lose 5 million players and still be #1.

The RNG loot system sucks beyond belief, especially if you want a complete set of tier gear before the next tier patch. But the tier gear system has been popular since the early days of RPGs. If you remember 20 sided dice, the environment fits like a glove.

MMOs fail because if they don't get the atmosphere and mechanics right at the beginning, the players return back to WoW (which in turn incorporates the neat features into it's IP). In order for a game to succeed it has to be different and not try to be another WoW. This is how EvE could exist and thrive within WoW's shadow.

What will kill ESO is Elder Scrolls is a solo RPG and heavy customization available for it (and that's it's beauty). MMOs can't allow that customization due to balancing and violating every EULA known (a modder can make the world exactly what he wants it to be, but he can't share his work due to legal reasons). Want a Coca-Cola and Domino's pizza in your game? Fine mod it, want it in a MMO...banned or even sued.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-06-15 02:01:35 UTC
Linear loot progression works fine as a system provided there is a bevy of content to linearly progress. Most of the long line of failed games didn't bother thinking about "What comes after release" and left large player bases with absolutely nothing to do. If there is something to grind to, people will grind to it. If two months after release the initial content was anemic and new stuff doesn't seem to be appearing on any future patch notes you may as well shut that **** down.

As an aside: I'm not saying that **** sounds fun or anything. But it is viable.
Black Dranzer
#20 - 2013-06-15 02:06:22 UTC
AAA MMO Developer doesn't know their head from their arse

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