Jita Park Speakers Corner

I think we need a mix as "bad behavior" is one of the things that makes Eve different than most other games. I supported at least one CSM 8 candidate because they seemed to be directly involved in the "dark side" of Eve. While I don't like that side of Eve I accept that it has to be there to keep Eve as challenging as it is meant to be.

Issler

I wonder why many players don't bother to vote?

yeah, tools to gain advantages over other players definitely shouldnt interest the majority EVE Online players

So Mike, how do you feel witnessing the influence the null sec cartels wield with CCP?
Have you recognized the futility of it as you are the only member who supposedly is a champion for high sec?
Does it feel like you are trying to stop the tide from coming in?

And I ask again, how does CCP stop people from using inside information about future changes in the game for monstrous financial advantage.

Imagine a scenario, and this is of course purely hypothetical.

Let's pretend there is a group that lablels itself "Eve's foremost economic council", and have trillions of isk at their disposal, and a huge network of unaffiliated 3rd party trading alts. Let's say that this group gets someone elected onto the CSM. Naturally, this CSM rep will have advanced knowledge of changes coming to the game, but is precluded from gaining advantage or discussing them because of the NDA.

But what stops them from telling the other members on that council via skype, Teamspeak, mumble, or phone calls, who then use the alt network to buy or sell items well before CCP announces them. How does CCP enforce any kind of EULA, TOS, or NDA under that scenario.

Further, let's assume that this hypothetical economic cabal has a proven track record of using any bit of information that they can glean, through any source possible, to gain an advantage. To suggest people of such low morality and ethics have a place on the CSM is ridiculous., and bad for the game.

Anyone who has demonstrated the inclination to harass or steal from another player is extremely likely to use inside information to gain an economic advantage, and they should be banned from ever holding any position of trust or influence on the game.

If there were some hypothetical economic elite with trillions of isk at their disposal and one of their head honchos were to manage to control the election enough to get elected

Gods I love hypotheticals.

1) He would probably be powerful enough that the election would be a step down for him
2) The new level of watching/oversight would inhibit his already awesome economic skillz. Even if I accept that he could 'hide' his tricks he would have to make an *effort*

Back to the 'reality'.

I am a high sec rep but Ali works hard in that area as well. A lot of the other players work for the game as a whole. Hard to believe but there you are. Am I going to give examples carefully veiled in hypotheticals? No. NDA is what it is but I do not stand against someone in the council because of a tag attached to their name or who voted them in.

A good idea is a good idea, no stain is attributable due to whose idea it is. The same goes for bad ideas.

Futility? It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness

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How do you feel posting the same accusation hundreds of times, without a shred of evidence to back it up, in multiple fora that are all the wrong place to level the charge?

I'm not even saying there's no RMT in nullsec--I have a third-hand account of some, but here's the thing: it was reported to CCP, who acted on it. Who do you expect to influence with this constant drum-banging against parties you cannot name explicitly (because you have no evidence)?

Fish or cut bait, please.

Should it be a tool in gaining advantage? Is that acceptable?

If member of the CSM learn that CCP is going to make some basic changes and then use that knowledge to advance their own causes... dramatically... is that acceptable? (Sort of insider trading)

If it is acceptable... ok. I would just like to know.

If that is the way it is... that is the way it is.

But do you think it would have an effect on player participation during the voting process?

Obviously if your are a member of the Goonswarm, you vote for your candidate. That make sense, but what about the many players who don't have a member of their group running for CSM? By voting are they not just giving power to others to take advantage of them?

Voter turnout was by most measure low this last election cycle, if members of the CSM using their title and position to scam player... do you think the mass will show much interest in the CSM? I am just wondering, because during the last election some/many actively posted against voting at all. Saying that it was counter productive and wishing to see the CSM disbanded.

I thought CCP was interested in getting a larger number of greater player involved in voting: do you believe using title and position on CSM helps in this process?