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Need Uber help, stuck in a hard place

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Chrisbox
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-06-13 21:04:21 UTC
Here's how a typical day in EVE will go for me lately.
Go out in frig/dessie, join alliance or militia fleet, get blown up or have a fun time assist the war effort but make little ISK from looted wrecks.

My security status is awful, I can't go into the high sec market or do good paying missions or basically anything I feel to make a coin. Why my sec status is awful? Well I wanted to see what piracy was like in this game, it does encourage you to do new things right? Little did I know its super impossible for me to make money unless you have like a alt account or something.

Anyway, I can't keep playing this game with such a beat wallet, I lost a firetail earlier today and refitting a new one i had in my hangar left me with 10mil....I'm going to have to sell a battlecruiser of mine to pay for any dues that come up for now on, 10mil is a joke. I will gladly farm something or do missions for hours to earn a lot of cash but i can't keep enjoying myself in this game without money.

So I need to firstly tackle the sec status issues. These low sec rats around the minmatar warfront blow, ill go belt to belt my sec status doesn't move log shows Im getting such a small like 0.000119% increase or something. I heard rattting in null sec is highly profitable and will give me quick sec status, but aren't those rats hard? I would need a stealth bomber or something, which would require me to train the skills and I don't want to wait any longer for this predicament to change I wont to stop it now.

Any assistance would be awesome, I need the community to get out of this hole that I've been dug into.
Sylvia Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#2 - 2013-06-13 21:21:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Sylvia Nardieu
Well, lowsec belts have been sprinkled with clone solider rats lately.
They always drop tags, cheapest of which will sell for 10-ish mil in trade hubs + they have very decent bounties and sec status rewards. Also, you can use some of those tags for sorting out your sec status in concord stations. I recon that if you spend a few hours ratting those things each week, you'd be sorted out for both isk and sec status issues. Here's the devblog.

Also, create a hauler/trade hub access alt on one of your remaining empty slots so that you can get those tags to hisec.

If you're in mini milita for any significant amount of time, you should be basking in LP's, they were in tier 4 if I recall correctly just before the warzone swung.
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
The Chicken Coop
#3 - 2013-06-13 21:25:47 UTC
Isn't there some rule against begging on the forums?

*puts on top hat and monocle*

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.

Chrisbox
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-06-13 21:27:54 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
Isn't there some rule against begging on the forums?

*puts on top hat and monocle*



This is entirely the opposite, I made this thread to seek knowledge of how to better myself in game. That is fantastic use of forums is it not?
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#5 - 2013-06-13 21:29:45 UTC
buy plexes with $ and sell those for isk, problem solved.
Chrisbox
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-06-13 21:57:34 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
buy plexes with $ and sell those for isk, problem solved.



Oh dislike button...where are you.
Chrisbox
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-06-13 22:04:29 UTC
Sylvia Nardieu wrote:
Well, lowsec belts have been sprinkled with clone solider rats lately.
They always drop tags, cheapest of which will sell for 10-ish mil in trade hubs + they have very decent bounties and sec status rewards. Also, you can use some of those tags for sorting out your sec status in concord stations. I recon that if you spend a few hours ratting those things each week, you'd be sorted out for both isk and sec status issues. Here's the devblog.

Also, create a hauler/trade hub access alt on one of your remaining empty slots so that you can get those tags to hisec.

If you're in mini milita for any significant amount of time, you should be basking in LP's, they were in tier 4 if I recall correctly just before the warzone swung.



Mini miltiia were in t4 when i wasn't playing, we're in t1 now sadly. I can't seem to locate what rats you're referring to however, example- warp to low sec belt in auga, see angel shatterer. Kill it, miniscule bounty, loot- metal scraps and a t1 module.
Sylvia Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#8 - 2013-06-13 22:47:28 UTC
Chrisbox wrote:
I can't seem to locate what rats you're referring to however, example- warp to low sec belt in auga, see angel shatterer. Kill it, miniscule bounty, loot- metal scraps and a t1 module.


Well, you do have to go through all belts in multiple systems to encounter em.
Bring something with decent dps and tank, like AF.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#9 - 2013-06-13 23:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum
Bad Messenger wrote:
buy plexes with $ and sell those for isk, problem solved.


Short term solution for someone with money, maybe.

@OP. you're probably not going to like my answers but here are my suggestions:

1) solving a sec status problem while living in low-sec is a non-starter. It's like trying to empty the ocean one bucket at a time. it's not going to happen and it's the biggest imaginable time-sink in EVE (until you can afford the tags)

The way to approach the sec status problem it in my experience is to organize your logistics so you don't need to worry about your sec status (ie, that character never goes to high-sec). Many corps will have members who have jump freighters and can jump your stuff straight into your staging system for you. If your corp isn't one of those then you really only have one option, is which is to train an alt who can fly stuff from high-sec into low-sec for you with (for example) a cloaky hauler. The skilling up for this isn't too horrible althought I can appreciate that it's hard to be patient when you're new.

Since you're using small ships using a cloaky hauler to get your stuff in is a very feasible appraoch. Either way, if you plan on staying in low-sec then the take home message on sec status is this: Don't worry about it and sort out your logistics. Only fix your sec status when you're ready to leave permanently.

2) as for making isk. Low-sec is FULL of easy isk that is not specifically tied to FW. There are many ways to make really easy ISK in low-sec, including (a) PI probably 15 odd mil a day for virtually zero effort (b) mining (ca. 25mil/hour in better sites) (c) running plexes a steady 80mil per hour with drops up to about 750mil in one go if you get lucky (d) trying the new data sites (e) ninja-ratting inside wormholes (pays ca 150mil per hour in C3's if you have the right ships and these days even mining ice could be well worth giving a whirl if your corp lives in a handy location.

Yes you will need to train skills to do some of that. Having an alt or working together with corp mates may also really help at this stage. Do try the new data sites. Despite being horribly colour blind and unable to see if the scatter cans are red or green I still managed (after I got the swing of it) to pick up 60mil in an hour by scanning around a few systems and running data sites (may have gotten lucky, not sure until I do more of it). This is also something that you can do with a frigate and basic probing skills. I'll admit I was using a maxed out prober in a buzzard so the probing was quick but still the isk seemed pretty ok to me especially given the low skill requirements needed to run them.

The part about this answer you're not going to like is this. There is no free lunch. Knowing your options helps but you need to put in time grinding isk if you want to have isk. It's really that simple.
Chrisbox
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-06-14 00:05:16 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
buy plexes with $ and sell those for isk, problem solved.


Short term solution for someone with money, maybe.

@OP. you're probably not going to like my answers but here are my suggestions:

1) solving a sec status problem while living in low-sec is a non-starter. It's like trying to empty the ocean one bucket at a time. it's not going to happen and it's the biggest imaginable time-sink in EVE (until you can afford the tags)

The way to approach the sec status problem it in my experience is to organize your logistics so you don't need to worry about your sec status (ie, that character never goes to high-sec). Many corps will have members who have jump freighters and can jump your stuff straight into your staging system for you. If your corp isn't one of those then you really only have one option, is which is to train an alt who can fly stuff from high-sec into low-sec for you with (for example) a cloaky hauler. The skilling up for this isn't too horrible althought I can appreciate that it's hard to be patient when you're new.

Since you're using small ships using a cloaky hauler to get your stuff in is a very feasible appraoch. Either way, if you plan on staying in low-sec then the take home message on sec status is this: Don't worry about it and sort out your logistics. Only fix your sec status when you're ready to leave permanently.

2) as for making isk. Low-sec is FULL of easy isk that is not specifically tied to FW. There are many ways to make really easy ISK in low-sec, including (a) PI probably 15 odd mil a day for virtually zero effort (b) mining (ca. 25mil/hour in better sites) (c) running plexes a steady 80mil per hour with drops up to about 750mil in one go if you get lucky (d) trying the new data sites (e) ninja-ratting inside wormholes (pays ca 150mil per hour in C3's if you have the right ships and these days even mining ice could be well worth giving a whirl if your corp lives in a handy location.

Yes you will need to train skills to do some of that. Having an alt or working together with corp mates may also really help at this stage. Do try the new data sites. Despite being horribly colour blind and unable to see if the scatter cans are red or green I still managed (after I got the swing of it) to pick up 60mil in an hour by scanning around a few systems and running data sites (may have gotten lucky, not sure until I do more of it). This is also something that you can do with a frigate and basic probing skills. I'll admit I was using a maxed out prober in a buzzard so the probing was quick but still the isk seemed pretty ok to me especially given the low skill requirements needed to run them.

The part about this answer you're not going to like is this. There is no free lunch. Knowing your options helps but you need to put in time grinding isk if you want to have isk. It's really that simple.



I mean your last sentence doesnt make much sense, see in my original post " I don't mind grinding ISK, I just need the opportunity."
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#11 - 2013-06-14 00:26:21 UTC
Chrisbox wrote:


see in my original post " I don't mind grinding ISK, I just need the opportunity."


Who has time? But then, if we do not ever take time, how can we ever have time? OMG I just quoted the Matrix. How nerdy is that?

Look..... it appears to irritate you to read that I did, indeed, assume you weren't taking time (at least not often enough) and I"m afraid I still do... I didn't intend to irritate you, I intended to give you some ideas that you could potentially use to make a plan.

As for taking time..... you are literally the only one who can undock and go do it. Nobody on the forums can do that for you.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-14 00:28:17 UTC
Aren't you supposed to make LP from FW complexes?
Chrisbox
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-06-14 01:13:06 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Aren't you supposed to make LP from FW complexes?


Indeed. LP isn't anything special in t1 though.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#14 - 2013-06-14 10:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ynot Eyob
If you are in Minmatar Space as it seems you are, if you choose to go to the Dudreda pocket, those system behin is 0.1 systems. I know not 0.0 but the standings increase compared to a 0.3 and 0.4 are ok,

In the past i managed to grind 1 security in about 1 hour.

As fare as i know before the exspansion you had to kill as many battleships in as many systems posible every 15 min.

Now it doesnt matter where you kill a battleship, it just Count the higest every 5 min if i read the patch notes right.

And yes the rats are harder in null, but if you have a cruiser or battlecruiser youll be just fine, risk vs reward.

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

Cal Stantson
17eme Chasseurs a Cheval
#15 - 2013-06-14 13:11:16 UTC
Chrisbox wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Aren't you supposed to make LP from FW complexes?


Indeed. LP isn't anything special in t1 though.


You're not trying to buy monocles and faction fitted T3s, so "nothing special" should be sufficient income to keep you in frigates.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#16 - 2013-06-14 13:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Meditril
With regards to your sec status: Go to low-sec (or better 0.0) and rat the NPCs in Belts or Anomalies. This is the cheapest, but also most time consuming way. But after one or two weeks of ratting you should be rich from bouties and your sec-status should be fixed. Additional hint: if you want to go to 0.0 a StealthBomber provides you the best ratio of ISK/risk IF FLOWN PROPERLY! If you can't use one, then I propose you stay in low-sec. You should consider going to non-FW low-sec and scan for the easy accessible anomalies. There you get many NPC one wafe after the other without wasting your time warping around.

Once you sec-status is fine, you should consider doing some solo operations with regards to defensive or offensive plexing to earn LP. The LP you can than trade for ships (e.g. Firetail) or other stuff which you can either use directly or sell on the market to make sure you do not run out of ISK. If done right, FW really allows you to fund all your losses easily from just doing FW. You should just avoid suiciding at every occasion.

Additional note: never ever pod people in low-sec if they are no war targets or pirates. Podding drops your sec-status very fast!
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-06-14 14:45:38 UTC
Chrisbox wrote:
Here's how a typical day in EVE will go for me lately.
Go out in frig/dessie, join alliance or militia fleet, get blown up or have a fun time assist the war effort but make little ISK from looted wrecks.

My security status is awful, I can't go into the high sec market or do good paying missions or basically anything I feel to make a coin. Why my sec status is awful? Well I wanted to see what piracy was like in this game, it does encourage you to do new things right? Little did I know its super impossible for me to make money unless you have like a alt account or something.

Anyway, I can't keep playing this game with such a beat wallet, I lost a firetail earlier today and refitting a new one i had in my hangar left me with 10mil....I'm going to have to sell a battlecruiser of mine to pay for any dues that come up for now on, 10mil is a joke. I will gladly farm something or do missions for hours to earn a lot of cash but i can't keep enjoying myself in this game without money.

So I need to firstly tackle the sec status issues. These low sec rats around the minmatar warfront blow, ill go belt to belt my sec status doesn't move log shows Im getting such a small like 0.000119% increase or something. I heard rattting in null sec is highly profitable and will give me quick sec status, but aren't those rats hard? I would need a stealth bomber or something, which would require me to train the skills and I don't want to wait any longer for this predicament to change I wont to stop it now.

Any assistance would be awesome, I need the community to get out of this hole that I've been dug into.



Make low sec level 3 missions. THey are fast to complete (therefore no need of riskign a battleship). or... simply run sites.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Ninlarra
Ninlarra Brand Ships and Modules
#18 - 2013-06-17 21:32:47 UTC
Chrisbox wrote:
Any assistance would be awesome, I need the community to get out of this hole that I've been dug into.



Who dug that hole?

Did someone push you in? Where you sexting and fell in this hole?


In your own post you listed several ways to get out of this hole that "you've been dug into" ( lol those 4 words made me laugh. Cant even own your own video game choices really? Come on!)

You made your choices. That's what eve is all about. You just made ******* terrible ones. Deal with it.
Kary Franks
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2013-06-18 08:41:43 UTC
I would much rather discuss this in our own forums, but oh... can't have anything. Ask in alliance chat. MURIE will gladly help you with basic frig / dessy hulls and stuff.

For the time being, you should only fly what you afford to lose. I know firetails are cool and all, but t1 frigate hulls are also pretty awesome.

Also. Register on the forums for help from your community.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-06-18 13:26:43 UTC
Chrisbox wrote:
Here's how a typical day in EVE will go for me lately.
Go out in frig/dessie, join alliance or militia fleet, get blown up or have a fun time assist the war effort but make little ISK from looted wrecks.

My security status is awful, I can't go into the high sec market or do good paying missions or basically anything I feel to make a coin. Why my sec status is awful? Well I wanted to see what piracy was like in this game, it does encourage you to do new things right? Little did I know its super impossible for me to make money unless you have like a alt account or something.

Anyway, I can't keep playing this game with such a beat wallet, I lost a firetail earlier today and refitting a new one i had in my hangar left me with 10mil....I'm going to have to sell a battlecruiser of mine to pay for any dues that come up for now on, 10mil is a joke. I will gladly farm something or do missions for hours to earn a lot of cash but i can't keep enjoying myself in this game without money.

So I need to firstly tackle the sec status issues. These low sec rats around the minmatar warfront blow, ill go belt to belt my sec status doesn't move log shows Im getting such a small like 0.000119% increase or something. I heard rattting in null sec is highly profitable and will give me quick sec status, but aren't those rats hard? I would need a stealth bomber or something, which would require me to train the skills and I don't want to wait any longer for this predicament to change I wont to stop it now.

Any assistance would be awesome, I need the community to get out of this hole that I've been dug into.


You also have two other characters. Try training one up to suck rocks in a barge. You'll be surprised at how much isk one can make you mining away in High Sec while you do the housework/chores or even doing stuff at work, if you have an inernet connection and a sympathetic tech weenie.
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