Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is this thing called 'afk camping' and two sides to the coin. First things first, it's within the rules of the game, it isn't cheating nor bug-using or what so ever. Cloaky modules are part of this game and have a right to exist. They make sense! So what's all the fuss about anyways? Well, being a system owner/renter in this game is also part of this game. You invest time, money and manpower to raise the military and industrial level and make this game running by producing, ratting, mining.

It's astounding that all someone (jerk) has to do, in order to destroy other players gameplay, is to sit in a cloaky ship at a savespot and leave his computer for good without even bothering about getting caught. This can't be the idea of this game. You might say: 'Well why dont you kill them when entering the system?' Because, there is a time for the game and there is a tme for real life and you can't have a guarded system 24/7.

Let's see what we got so far. Cloaky modules make sense and should definitly provide a high amount of savety to a cloaked pilot. Especially bombers, cover-ops and black-ops. On the other hand, having a computer running an alt in a cloaky ship with a cyno field gen fitted and nobody taking care of that alt. After days of not even looking how your cloaky alt is doing, you then suddenly decide to just hotdrop a whole fleet.

The way I see it, the problem isn't the cloak camping but the 'away from keyboard' claok camping. The solution therefore would be a game feature that doesnt destroy the savtey aspect of cloak modules but forces people to continously watch out for their cloaked alts in order for not getting caught and killed. If you dont watch for your alt, you then lose your ship and pod.

The newly added hacking minigame and a vague memory of a star trek sequal from many years ago when I used to watch those things, brought this idea of an scanning minigame to my mind. When scanning for cloaked ships in star trek you still had some fuzzy signatures which when reajusting your probe settings became more clear the more you ajusted them. So how about having to ajust some frequencies (ship signatures) everytime you hit the scan button (the smaller the probe radius the smaller the frequency scal gets) and get closer to the pinpointing? And how about if its different for any shiptype, which means if you already know what ship you're scanning for makes it easier because you have to ajust your scan for ladar (minmatar), radar (amarr), gravimetric (caldari) or magnetrometric (gallente) or maybe even bs, bc, frig, etc. The cloak pilot on the other hand should then be able to reajust his frequencies somehow or just plain by switching his cloaking device off and on again. This would make sure he can't leave his ship for good at some savespot and just go afk. Using a bot to reajust frequencies would then clearly be against the rules of the game.

Regards, M.L.

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Don't get me wrong I like your idea that cloaked ships needs to be active and everyone would have a way to try to find them from space but the cries of the nerds that will soon start to say no no no and "there is no problem" and "learn to use search" are something that I just can't take.

Hope someone else supports your idea also. +1

You guys life by it. Try buying a ship and having fun in small scale pvp, in a world without null sec pve, producing and mining. It's a major part of the game and not having an in-game counter measure feature is definitly an issue. You are able to counter almost everything in this game, by modules, isk, manpower or whatsoever. But there is not a thing you can do against cloaky campers, but being a jerk yourself and camping their system as well. Which is sooooo much fun, NOT!

Because in contrast to you we dont fly phukkin drakes. The worth of our ships go into multiple billions.

How about ppl just get an afk flag on their name in the local chat window once they're inactive for about 15 Minutes?

Problem solved, no?

Oh wait, now You'll say "But how do I know if that little **** is REALL AFK?! He could be faking after all..." Well, that's what happens once You let fear guide You, You'll always find new excuses to not undock.

here I identified your problem, didnt read the rest
Your problem is not cloaking its a poor gameplay choice based on lazyness and unwillingness to contribute to the entire spectrum of 0.0 gameplay (rat and dont give a fck about everything else) - this being easily disturbed is a good thing.
Cloak is fine, move on.

TL;DR and to common

Your assumption is just plain wrong and only based on preconceptions about pve in nullsec. I didnt say with one word that we sissy out on our station and that's it. You just like to prejudge in order to lead this topic, which started very open, in an direction you prefer. Instead of giving argument you just like to accuse without any further background knowledge about the situation that lead to this topic. Try being a little more constructiv the next time.

I have, and guess what when ever our fun little gang enters system everyone, POSes up, docks up, safes up and cloaks....

How fun is it going 20+ jumps looking for a fight and not getting anything? Not very. So people get bored with the "fun small scale pvp" and switch to BLOPs where the hunters AFK cloak.

It is all due to local. Local gives the people in system infallible intel 100% of the time and before the hostiles even load grid let alone hit dscan or rush to a belt.

I'm not. If you are going to make such a change to cloaks it seems reasonable to me to impose it on other people who are AFK with 100% safety in the game. So, if you go AFK in a station, miss your shot at a mini-game out you go...and to be fair you should be ejected out of docking range.