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To Federals, Regarding Heth

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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#61 - 2013-06-14 11:02:49 UTC
A vile race of "Stitchers" to use a new word which will carry the scorn of mankind down the centuries-is hired to fawn upon the Federation, to collaborate in his designs and to enforce his rule upon their fellow countrymen while groveling low themselves. Such is the plight of once glorious Caldari State and such are the atrocities against which we are in arms.

I demand satisfaction Stitcher. I slap my gloves accross your face. Duel later today in Haatomo 100km above the station. Be a man Stitcher for once , instead of the coward i know you to be.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-06-14 11:03:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Duels don't determine who is correct, only who is intact. I duel only in frigates, only against people I like, and only because I respect them and because I enjoy a bit of friendly competition. I don't like you, Horn, nor do I respect you.

I'll fight you if and when fighting you would actually accomplish anything, and I'll bring friends. Causes and battleships are too valuable to fritter away on idiot pride.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I heard some guy off his meds clipped your wings so bad you had to go crying to Verin for bodyguards.


Leave me out of this, please.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-06-14 11:04:28 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
A vile race of "Stitchers" to use a new word which will carry the scorn of mankind down the centuries-is hired to fawn upon the Federation, to collaborate in his designs and to enforce his rule upon their fellow countrymen while groveling low themselves. Such is the plight of once glorious Caldari State and such are the atrocities against which we are in arms.

I demand satisfaction Stitcher. I slap my gloves accross your face. Duel later today in Haatomo 100km above the station. Be a man Stitcher for once , instead of the coward i know you to be.

Bad mother****ing call.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#64 - 2013-06-14 12:18:54 UTC  |  Edited by: iyammarrok
So, Tom.. During this duel, are you intending to use your Dominix and Ogres again?
Are you going to beg, as I have seen you do during duels before, for remote repairs from Diana and anyone else in the system?

You claim, falsely, that Verin is a coward, but I have yet to see you honour a 1v1 duel without requesting outside aid or fleeing into a station when things turn against you.

And before you state that I declined a duel in Haatomo, yes, I did. that is correct. but a Nemesis vs Dominix fight is hardly a valid duel. especially considering the Ferox that appearred to undock and activate it's warfare link every time you had a duel to fight.

TL;DR : Before you call a proven warrior out as a coward, be sure you're not being a hypocrite.

-Tertianus Rethelior ('Rok)

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#65 - 2013-06-14 12:30:14 UTC
... he flies a Dominix?

Well. The Federation appreciates your custom, please come again.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-06-14 12:55:43 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:

Are you going to beg, as I have seen you do during duels before, for remote repairs from Diana and anyone else in the system?

What?...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-06-14 12:59:13 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
What?...

And Diana Kim plays the "feign ignorance" card for the twenty-seventh time this week!

(It's not very effective...)

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#68 - 2013-06-14 14:34:09 UTC
When I first arrived in Haatomo on the 10th Diana, You were there. Tom arrived soon after and attacked another pilot who was in the system, moments after doing so he began to beg for Remote repairs, from not only yourself, but anyone else who was in the system.

You were flying a scorpion navy issue at the time, so declined to aid him with RR.

As his ship survived the encounter he must have profusely apologised to the Gallente pilot who bested him.
This act does, of course, go against everything he publicly states, but is the only way he would have survived his failed assault.

That said, we know TomHorn is a hypocrite anyway, so no-one is likely surprised by this turn of events.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-06-14 14:50:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Heth is a horrible creature that is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Gallenteans. While the Federation should take no direct involvement regarding the little siege in Haatomo, we should be ready and willing to intervene should the situation arise. Of course, intervention doesn't necessarily mean sending our indomitable Navy in for support, I think the CEP has plenty of manpower and support to handle this successfully.

No matter what happens, Heth and the Provist will keep blaming us. He believes that the CEP are our puppets and that the Federation is a giant evil monster trying to engulf all of New Eden, both of which are completely ridiculous beliefs.

He rose to power violently, he maintained that power violently, and he will lose that power violently. What makes anyone here believe that he's just going to come out of this holding a white flag in place of a rifle? But I digress.

People will always cooperate with each other if both parties have a common enemy. Heth is both the State's and the Federation's common enemy. Involving ourselves in this in anyway, even if it just means being the CEPs Yes Man can finally bring back some of the common ground we were working on 5 years ago that Heth tainted. Again, no need for military intervention. Political backing will be more than enough.

Some form of peace between the Federation and the State can be salvaged from this, staying silent will only keep the fires burning.

As for Mr. TomHorn, I find it quite amusing that you prefer one of the oldest, most outdated and clunky ships in the Gallente arsenal over your own nation's latest technological marvels, which I do recall you claiming to be superior at one point in time.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-06-14 14:53:22 UTC
I'm not saying "stay silent." I'm saying "avoid direct intervention unless the CEP requests it."

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-06-14 14:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I'm not saying "stay silent." I'm saying "avoid direct intervention unless the CEP requests it."


By "direct intervention" are you referring to military support?

There are lot of ways we can intervene, not all of them require gun toting.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-06-14 15:03:02 UTC
As a rule we're gun-shy about Federal "intervention" no matter the format.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Anslo
Scope Works
#73 - 2013-06-14 15:06:10 UTC
Like it got said before, just stay within our own borders unless the CEP asks for help. I doubt they'll need much given the sheer amount of resources they pulled together THAT quickly. But in the off chance they need help, we await explicit permission and follow any order within their border to the letter. At least I plan on doing that, seems a good bet.

Aside from that, let the Caldari be Caldari in how they handle this while we sit patiently and await a call if it comes. This is a good chance to mend burned bridges and we in the Fed should be very very careful and precise in how we deal with things during this.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-06-14 15:13:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
What Anslo said, basically. Don't look for excuses to involve ourselves in the CEP's affairs - look for ways to protect ourselves from Heth's hatred and the lunacy of his followers, and be ready and prepared to help if and only if the CEP asks for it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#75 - 2013-06-14 15:18:55 UTC
I think Mr Ixiris was on the point with his initial appeal to his countrymen not to intervene with this clearly internal Caldari affair.
And I thank him for his foresight on this matter.

While so many forget too fast, Tibus Heth still has support. Any intervention, no matter what form, by the Gallenteans, would just feed these sentiments.

I think the young and easily impressionable in their mood swings forget too often that the man they condemn today has given us something back, that we believed lost. And I'm not talking about Caldari Prime. I'm talking about the meritocratic traditions that made our society great. Caldari Prime was just the beacon.

And wouldn't any Gallentean fight as hard to free his own home world, should it fall into enemy hands?
Even if our very ideals are not compatible for true unity, they don't separate us enough on that basic level of understanding, I think.

All that said: For all our sakes I would very much prefer to prevent a full scale war. And Tibus seems to have shed the mantle of the "New meritocracy". Which was the one thing that made him great in my eyes... And the moment of pride he gave us, to realize what we have become. I don't harbour any special hate for the Gallente. Though I don't presume to understand your culture, I do have Gallentean friends.

I'd advise all to not underestimate Tibus Heth, nor the support he could be able to muster.
In the very sense of these words: Stay away from that conflict, Gallenteans. Watch your borders, if you need to. But let the Caldari deal with their own.

*END OF TRANSMISSION*

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Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-06-14 17:11:59 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Sometimes I think you are a decent human.

Gallente should stay as far away from this as possible. Every Gallente that shows up is another one Heth and Kim can point to in validation for the persecution they feel. And this all coming from you I hope will give credibility to the idea. I hope many more prominant Gallente Capsuleers publicly step forward and echo this.

Agreed with this. Saw it happen first hand.
Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#77 - 2013-06-14 20:38:29 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
And wouldn't any Gallentean fight as hard to free his own home world, should it fall into enemy hands?

  • We are not your enemies.
  • Caldari Prime / Luminaire VII is no more in our hands than it is in yours.
  • The peoples of Caldari Prime / Luminaire VII ARE free.

The only ones in desperate need of freedom are the Provists themselves. Freedom from rancor, freedom from belligerence, freedom from hatred. Freedom from the dead-end and obsolete mindset they are trapped in.

Until all are free...

Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2013-06-14 21:47:29 UTC
Catching up on this conversation as my affairs in Amarr space kept me away...

Ladies and gentleman, I believe we have a quorum!! It would appear that everyone wants the same thing which is a resolution to this matter. I was thinking that the status quo was advantageous to the Federation as I have never seen the Caldari as disunited as they are these days, however, I am coming to see that the longer this persists no new and hopefully more positive leadership can assert itself in Caldari space while the old leadership still holds them hostage. Also, the longer this goes on, the greater the potential that other empires will take advantage of the situation and could plunge us into a galactic war.

The time has come to end this.

I have two proposals. My first is that we petition Concord to remove their protections from Haatomo. I believe such a petition if signed by all major Caldari corporations, numerous capsuleers and indeed even Tibus Heth himself... has a chance of succeeding. Surely they would grant the Caldari an 8 hour suspension... That would leave the Caldari the chance to settle the matter among themselves, according to Caldari tradition.

My second proposal is less complicated.

The Gallente government and capsuleers appeal to both the provisional Caldari government, CEP, Caldari Corporate fleets and to Heth himself... to be granted safe passage to Algogille... to Gallente space... per his desires.

Only in this latter scenario we would petition Concord to remove themselves fro Algogille temporarily. Note that he is granted safe passage to Algogille... not at Algogille.

Resolution of this matter is in everyone's interest.

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#79 - 2013-06-14 22:21:41 UTC
I am a sovereign capsuleer - we all are - who can cross any border of whom we have not crossed.


I have high standings with both the Federation and Caldari Navies.


While I hope never to see Heth end up a POW in the hands of Mentas Blaque - for Blaque would use the situation as yet more opportunity to set precedents that further destroy civil liberties (these two are snakes), if there is an opportunity to take out that terrorist Heth and his collectivist (racism is collectivism) provists, I will not let nationalism, mine or someone elses, get in the way of that.


Heth is fair game.

Now if CEP knew what they were doing they would put a bounty on Heth and this problem would be solved in a very short time. Nothing beats motivation into a capsuleer like the stick that holds the carrot.

And we'll see where loyalty really lies.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#80 - 2013-06-14 23:44:36 UTC
Sorjat, your first proposal is entirely unacceptible to anyone who values human life. The waste of life in such levels of uncontrolled combat would be unthinkable.