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Suicide Ganking: coming to an end?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#381 - 2011-11-07 07:46:40 UTC
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:

besides, I doubt you would have much to shoot at if carebears could not build your ships and ammo for you.


You realise that "PvPers" can train industry skills as well as anyone else, right? And that's before we even consider alts.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#382 - 2011-11-07 07:48:27 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:

besides, I doubt you would have much to shoot at if carebears could not build your ships and ammo for you.


You realise that "PvPers" can train industry skills as well as anyone else, right? And that's before we even consider alts.


Then they are no longer PvPers but EVE players... Get your fact straight.

PvPers are arcade players... they play to destroy, and often get destroyed, they buy GTCs and sells them to have their "five seconds of glory" in game.
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#383 - 2011-11-07 07:59:49 UTC
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:
Renturu wrote:
I posted about this in another forum, er... post. I feel insurance, period, is dumb. If you have been playing for more than a year and cannot figure out how to properly fit ANY ship, nor afford to replace it, you should not play this game. I think for players less than a year old, would be fine... Scratch that... ACCOUNTS less than a year old (to avoid alt isk sinks).

I tell all of our noobs: "If you cant afford to lose it, don't use it."



The insurance system is a way to know that the loss of your very pricey Machariel (sp?) will not be such a heavy burden because you will get something to compensate for the loss, will it cover the whole ship? no, but it will help you get yourself in another in less time.

I love how everyone has this really funny idea that this game should not be fun, but work. I do not play this game to feel like I have to juggle another stressful career or to have more money issues than I already have. I play this game for fun and prefer that I can lose a ship and get back in the saddle pretty quick with a platinum policy payout.

The problem with your attitude and the attitude of many on this thread is that you have some funny idea of how EVE "should be played". You think that unless they use your favorite fits and ships that they are just being dumb. I even have seen some (cough, cough, Tippia) who seem to think that this game should only be played a certain way and that you should be punished for trying anything else.

What do you think this is? Different people take different things from the game and sometimes they don't do what you want everyone to do, you just gotta relax and get over it.


Wow!! Settle down there Trigger! I was stating what MY opinion was. Yours is fine. But many who play EVE are well vested into this game and desire that there be more of a "grown up" mindset when playing. No Nanny-Statism involved. It is a PLAYER RUN community and CCP shouldn't step in to "make it more fun" or easier. Many who have been in this game for a while have fun at their expense, no matter the cost - To include losing pricey ships worth more then than they are now.

I prefer to play the game on MY TERMS. I.e., no involvement from CCP to make it easier for me, to protect me. That is up to me to be more ingenious and to have better decisiveness when mining, missioning or otherwise. If I, from my experience and from others who, I've no doubt, have greater wisdom to pass on, I will not keep secrets.... EVEN if it means passing on a favor'd fit (B/C IT WORKS).

Personally, I feel, If you make a Dumb mistake and AFK Mine, Gank, Solo in Low/Null sec without first comprehending the consequences of YOUR OWN actions... you deserve whatever comes your way. Concordokken'd, ganked or straight up popped in a mission... you decide your fate... NOT CCP answering to Carebears, Gankers or and Coalition to STEAR the game into what one single culture in the game wants.

This is a "Sandbox," but the more CCP gets into making changes to MECHANICS, the more this game will be watered down and become Mud.

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Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#384 - 2011-11-07 08:27:30 UTC
I'm rich and I can get even more space rich quickly. Losing out on that 3.8m reimbursement from my T2 fit Omen isn't going to stop me in the least.
Shirah Yuri
Tonic Empire
#385 - 2011-11-07 09:22:19 UTC
Modified Ferengi Rules of Acquisition:

Rule 34: "More suicide ganks" is good for business
Rule 35: "Less suicide ganks" is good for business

Ponder this :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#386 - 2011-11-07 09:27:30 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
This simply makes solo-ganking impossible, and encourages, yet more blobbing style attacks.

Even with an isk penalty implemented, people will still suicide thrashers/rifters etc to kill people.

The only way to solve this problem is to ether make highsec completely safe, (ie: no players can damage another player) or we debuff concord and teach the newbies how to play eve like it was made to be played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DBVH6IVxas



How does this make solo ganking impossible?
Generals4
#387 - 2011-11-07 10:04:10 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:

besides, I doubt you would have much to shoot at if carebears could not build your ships and ammo for you.


You realise that "PvPers" can train industry skills as well as anyone else, right? And that's before we even consider alts.


But wouldn't said alts be carebears?

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#388 - 2011-11-07 10:06:03 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:

besides, I doubt you would have much to shoot at if carebears could not build your ships and ammo for you.


You realise that "PvPers" can train industry skills as well as anyone else, right? And that's before we even consider alts.


But wouldn't said alts be carebears?


The player is the carebear, not the character.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#389 - 2011-11-07 10:08:35 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:

besides, I doubt you would have much to shoot at if carebears could not build your ships and ammo for you.


You realise that "PvPers" can train industry skills as well as anyone else, right? And that's before we even consider alts.


Then they are no longer PvPers but EVE players... Get your fact straight.

PvPers are arcade players... they play to destroy, and often get destroyed, they buy GTCs and sells them to have their "five seconds of glory" in game.



Yes all "PvP" players are exactly the same Roll

No seriously though, most of the "PvPers" I know have at least one industry/market/$_ISKACTIVITY alt.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#390 - 2011-11-07 11:25:05 UTC
We took the insurance out because having it was silly. It's like a double reward when you gank someone, you get their cargo and insurance. It won't stop suicide ganking, it just fixes something we haven't really felt made sense for a long time.
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#391 - 2011-11-07 11:32:20 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
We took the insurance out because having it was silly. It's like a double reward when you gank someone, you get their cargo and insurance. It won't stop suicide ganking, it just fixes something we haven't really felt made sense for a long time.


Since you guys have had that "feeling" for such a long time, it's a pity you were too meek to act on it sooner. Roll
inexistin
Rubbish and Garbage Removal
#392 - 2011-11-07 11:37:59 UTC
So we won't be seeing any other gank ships except for thrashers and uberfitted lvl4 running faction bs' will be pretty much forever safe. Newsworthy.

Although I hate the thought of so many headless chickens driving their bling through the neighbourhood in nearly complete safety.
Cedric deBouilard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#393 - 2011-11-07 11:40:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Cedric deBouilard
I work in insurance sector and let's be honest; you won't get any insurance payout from any company in my country if you wreck your car while robbing a bank. period.

thanks CCP for fixing this silly mistake.

oh and don't get me wrong, suicide ganking WILL continue; Goons or TEST will reimburse / pay for / offer free ships for suicide ganking just for the lulz and tears. They're already doing that.

Even when they don't or you're not part of a big troll alliance, losing 10-20mil from the insurance is insignificant when compared to the tasty tears. If you like tears, you'll keep ganking pubbies. HTFU.
Shnejder
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#394 - 2011-11-07 11:43:06 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
We took the insurance out because having it was silly. It's like a double reward when you gank someone, you get their cargo and insurance. It won't stop suicide ganking, it just fixes something we haven't really felt made sense for a long time.


1) Is it logical i get a standard Insurance payout if i havent insured my ship?
2) Is it logical to build weapons with minerals just to reprocess them on destination cause its smaller in the amount of cargohold need to be moved?
3) is it logical the ship scanner is the only scanning module with a not clear result ofcourse u are in optimal?

if i would sit in a billion isk expensive ship in highsec you (ccp) would take care of me^^
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#395 - 2011-11-07 11:46:15 UTC
inexistin wrote:
So we won't be seeing any other gank ships except for thrashers and uberfitted lvl4 running faction bs' will be pretty much forever safe. Newsworthy.


Tornadoes. Loads of Tornadoes. Effectiveness of 1400s + fitting for a lock time of 1 second on a pod at battlecruiser prices.
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#396 - 2011-11-07 11:51:14 UTC
inexistin wrote:
So we won't be seeing any other gank ships except for thrashers and uberfitted lvl4 running faction bs' will be pretty much forever safe. Newsworthy.

You forget tier 3 BCs.

The cost of losing an apoc or tempest hull right now is around 35 mil with insurance (before fittings). A tornado will be worth around 40 mil once price settles, and be just as good if not better for ganking.

A price increase of 5 mil per gank is not game changing. The tier 3 BCs with insurance would have been.

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644

Avila Cracko
#397 - 2011-11-07 11:54:26 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
We took the insurance out because having it was silly. It's like a double reward when you gank someone, you get their cargo and insurance. It won't stop suicide ganking, it just fixes something we haven't really felt made sense for a long time.



thnx CCP Soundwave Big smile

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#398 - 2011-11-07 11:57:32 UTC
I'd be perfectly happy with them making it impossible to suicide gank for profit, strategic advantage or any reason other than making a statement.

Mostly for the massive rage it would cause from the gankers. The most delicious tears by far are those of people who make it their job to harvest tears from others.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Inbrainsane
Read The Forums
Goonswarm Federation
#399 - 2011-11-07 12:01:06 UTC
Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:
[...]

If you get concorded, you get no insurance payout, period.

[...]


Botters rejoice.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#400 - 2011-11-07 12:06:26 UTC
Inbrainsane wrote:
Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:
[...]

If you get concorded, you get no insurance payout, period.

[...]


Botters rejoice.



Care to elaborate ? It gives nothing to the one who has been killed by the other player ?