Player Features and Ideas Discussion

WHY PVP is Broken for the rest of us.........

I basically don't PVP with any of my characters at all, due to the following reasons. Bag on them if you'd like, but they are valid and if fixed would fix PVP, as it is certainly broken for many, many players.

Here are some reasons POD/Clone killing should be changed and some ideas for fixing it. These changes would make PVP a much better experience and would give PVP players a lot more targets to shoot at on a regular basis.

The 2 Problems with Clone/POD killing.

1) Destroying a POD is a form of Bullying and feels as such, since the pilot who is killing your POD has no benefit other than kicks to do so. Only Bullies like POD killing, and if you think otherwise, you are a bully! It's like having a friend over the house to play a board game and although he just won, he takes your game piece and crushes it with a hammer. No, I don't want to have that friend over again. I did PVP a couple of times (maybe 6 total in two years of playing) and the one player that did not attempt to destroy my POD after he destroyed my ship was friendly and we had a chat about how I could have done better and how fun the chase was (since I was trying to get away). The other 5 times, the PVP players (gangs really) were just jerks and had no interest in making a friend, just in getting their own kicks, and tried desperately to kill my POD. So if you want to promote MMO type of friendly interactions, fix the POD killing thing.

2) All Implants are lost with the POD kill, so this requires you to be in a jump clone with no implant benefits for battles or risk them each and every time you want to PVP. Sorry, too much ISK involved! Changing to a jump clone means my SP skill time will slow and my other PVE activities will be effected. Too much hassle changing to jump clones, so sorry doesn't work in practice. I am not going to risk (intentionally) 500m to 1 Billion ISK worth of implants just to PVP each and every time. I am totally fine risking my ship.


HOW TO FIX PVP with one simple change. = "MAKE PODS EXTREMELY HARD TO KILL" . Give them +2 warp, give them 20k EHP.
If someone wants to kill your POD, make them earn it, and not just an after thought to be a jerk with one volley from a frigate. Don't even bother changing the cost of a clone, just make it harder to lose one.

Can we have some other clones changes too....

Proposed clone changes

It's not always bullying. What about in a huge nullsec battle inside a bubble? People could ignore the pods and just keep killing ships, but they don't. You know why? Because nobody likes slowboating home through nullsec in a capsule. When we go out there to fight, we are meeting adversarial associates, not enemies. We are friends outside of politics. We care about each other. We want the other side to have fun and they want the same for us. Podding everyone is a common courtesy, a sign of valour. The factions who practice basic chivalry such as podding everyone in big fleet fights are the most respected.

Neither would work. Removing clones would mean people have an instant travel mechanism.

At the minute, the Jump clone method works well for pvp. You can switch clones every 24 hours so therefore just keep an empty (or combat hardwired clone) available at a nearby station/rorq and switch.

My thoughts.

Make clone costs proportionate to ship loss cost + a % amount. This way you could still isk sink long term players if you really want to but atm it can cost me 1000% more than the ship I lost (based on a rifter+fit being 5 mill and a clone being 50)

JC's. Reduce the timer when jumping to and from a rorq. Seems rather pointless having a rorq with a VAT bay when realistically, you can always get to a station with a medical bay. I know zero players who actually use the VAT bay on it.

I don't know if this will resolve my issue with PvP. But not having to pay 14 mil extra if i want to troll PvP would go along way.

When are these going be unstickied to give Page 1 back to Player Posts? Odyssey is in and the Feedback and Issues threads are active. Why not replace these with a "Link Sticky" to those two threads?

We all know how lazy we are to go clicking...wait for it...past Page 3 of this Forum section.

This has to be a joke or a troll attempt... If this is a joke or troll it's in very bad taste! There is a real problem with cyber bullying. PVP in Eve is part of the game and not bullying!


You do benefit from podkills with killboard stats....

perchance standings driven?

Then what of the Pirates?
They could dwell with the NPC pirate factions,
thus getting clones there . . I say with some envy.

Some noob had the gall to say clone costs were the price to pay for increased pilot flexibility. Why should anyone pay a penalty for increased pilot flexibility? You are only as powerful as what you undock with, and that balance will always be there. This isn't choose-a-class run of the mill MMO here.

The only logical argument for stair-step clone costs is low-income, low-skill pilots can only afford cheap clones. As SP and PVE abilities increase, they can afford more expensive clones. The higher earnings ability of higher skilled players is represented by increased clone cost "skill tax." You could consider this a balancing move. Fine.

However, at some point, I'd say beyond 36 mil, earnings ability do not continue rise. So 50 mil, 100 mil, 120 mil clones do not "gain" more cash at a faster rate simply because there are no more skills remaining in the game that one can possibly take that would do much to increase their earnings ability. Therefore, increasing the "skill tax" without increasing the "earnings" rate from those skills eventually grows out of proportion.

I would like to see the introduction of the Infinite Clone at the location of 50 mil in the clone stair-step model, even though myself is well beyond twice that, because earnings won't really rise to commensurate with the increased costs.

And punishing pilots for flexibility is just plain stupid, the whole point of even downloading and installing this game is for being able to do different things, as well as repeatedly doing the things you like.

It seems many of the posters here are complaining about something people complained about for ages about Eve. The fact that you actually lose something if you die in PVP. Eve is unlike most games in that sense and I hope it never changes. I'm not totally against adjusting the prices of clones but since the cost of two +4 implants is more than what most pay for a clone I think it's not really an issue.

If anyone wants to say that you shouldn't lose implants in Eve if you get podded I say go find another game... That is against everything Eve is based on. Yes getting podded sucks and rightly so!

If you're PVPing in a frigate in nullsec with expensive implants...well you deserve what you get! Eve is about choices and those choices have consequences. Most of them are pretty clear.... Nullsec = bubbles, bubbles = being podded, being podded = implant loss. I think my five year old son could figure that might be a bad choice. If someone wants to whine on the forums about losing ___ hundred million in implants by all means they have the right but that just shows their bad choices.