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The Definitive Guide to Erotica 1's ISK Doubling Game

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#41 - 2013-05-22 08:07:54 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
So this is pretty legit?


I'm glad you've been doing research like any smart person would do.

Yes, I'm 100% legit. You just have to read the rules.

I look forward to working with you.

Do you discriminate against goons?



Some of my best friends are goons. Most are in Goonwaffe or Wildly Inappropriate. They are really good guys when you get to know them in real life Cool

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

John 1135
#42 - 2013-05-22 15:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: John 1135
Erotica 1 wrote:
Some of my best friends are goons. Most are in Goonwaffe or Wildly Inappropriate. They are really good guys when you get to know them in real life Cool

Now this is just confusing your audience. Goons have a club for scamming that gives out prizes. Ergo admitting to friendship with Goonwaffe is admission of being a scammer. But no scammer admits to being one: so paradoxically your admission clears your name.

Seems legit.

But did you have to give James 315 all those Iskies?
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-05-22 17:15:57 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
So this is pretty legit?


I'm glad you've been doing research like any smart person would do.

Yes, I'm 100% legit. You just have to read the rules.

I look forward to working with you.

Do you discriminate against goons?



Some of my best friends are goons. Most are in Goonwaffe or Wildly Inappropriate. They are really good guys when you get to know them in real life Cool

So what you're saying is that we're assholes, but you get used to it? That's Stockholm Syndrome, not friendship. Sad

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

floating in space
#44 - 2013-05-22 18:42:52 UTC
Quote:
a dude was requesting that I put my buy order back up or refund his money.


How did he know it was your buy order?
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#45 - 2013-05-22 23:07:17 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:

So what you're saying is that we're assholes, but you get used to it? That's Stockholm Syndrome, not friendship. Sad


No Goon has ever done me wrong. Even Blawrf is a teddy bear. There's a really touching story somewhere on kugatsumen about how he cared for a guy who was ill. If you properly examine your recruits' corp histories, you will see some from Krypteia.


John 1135 wrote:

Now this is just confusing your audience. Goons have a club for scamming that gives out prizes. Ergo admitting to friendship with Goonwaffe is admission of being a scammer. But no scammer admits to being one: so paradoxically your admission clears your name.

Seems legit.

But did you have to give James 315 all those Iskies?


Speaking of corp histories, James has quite honourable service noted in his.

As far as clubs, I know of no scamming ones nor would I want to know. However, if they have a philanthropic division please put me in touch. I am always looking for partners to improve the eve experience for the down trodden.

My investments and donations in the New Order only prove that my heart is in the right place. Are you not a supporter of ridding high sec of illegal mining activity?

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-05-23 08:25:26 UTC
Confirming that Blawrf is cuddly.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#47 - 2013-05-23 11:27:22 UTC
KlipticKaptin wrote:
She then goes on to list three more rules... all of which are resoundingly important but are intended to be distracting.. They only hint at the real rules here.. and this is where the secret comes into play!


  • I do limit 3 investments per player (She puts a limiting factor on your plays.. VERY IMPORTANT later you will see why)
  • Each investment must be at least 2x what you received just prior (Mathmatically this is omega important)
  • Amounts not listed are donations. (the most important rule)
  • Toons must be >4 weeks old


These rules seem straight forward, and she even mentions that they are... HOWEVER they are not... the most straight forward one is the last one. Not really my fault if you mess that one up guys. Its pretty plain jane, now on to.... *drum roll please*


[The Take Down]

First and formost, I would like to say that she did this to her self, if she would have just paid me then we could have all went about our merry way.... and she could have continued to make money vegas style... but now her house of cards falls. Erotica, let me just get you some knee pads or a pillow? kk.....


So guys, this game is designed to only have a few "paths" of plays that will end up paying out past the first play. She takes advantage of the fact that most people are greedy and after their first play is paid out they will just reinvest all of the isk they won on their second play and that is where she burns you! Lets revisit the rules here specifically this one:

Amounts not listed are donations. So you look at the amounts and you see ranges... however if you use your noggin like I did at first, and you release that the numbers with in those ranges "are not listed" you discover the first piece of the puzzle. So you reread the rules and replace "to" or "-" with "or" you are first on the right track. So lets modify them:

Quote:

Send me 50M or 500M, get 2x back.

Send 600M or 1 Billion get 3x back.
Invest 3 or 5 Billion and get 5x back!


Ok so here we establish the only set of possible play values. Which is 50m, 500m, 600m, 1b, 3b, and 5b... That is it those are the only amounts that are "truely listed" the "-" and "to" is part of her game and are only there to make you feel like there are a larger amount of plays then there really is.

Now I feel like a few of us have already figured this part out, and might make a bit of isk here or there on it, simply because its a "little bit" more oblivious then the other part. The trick is to get her pay out past the first payment, so lets look at the other rule.. this one is now much more important then it apeared to be at face value:

Each investment must be at least 2x what you received just prior

So your second play is where stuff starts to get tricky. We have a list of values that are valid plays, and we know that our second play must be at least 2x what we got back from our last play.

THE PART PEOPLE MISS IS!!!! That it STILL! has to fall in one of those values, so if you send 50m and get back 100m, and then send 200m, she is just going to keep it... even though it passes the "2x rule" it does not pass the "listed values rule" there for you fail and she wins. Of course in screen shots she will tell you that the play would have been valid or that shes getting her wallet spammed.... things like that.. welll duh she does not want to out her rules! She has to make you understand you lost the game with out telling you why...

[SOLUTION]

The game mathematically is designed to only have a few paths of plays that allow the player to start small and scale up. She is looking to get them to make mistakes. However, after some serious calculmalations I have figured them out! THe possible play paths!

50m -> 500m -> 3b Is the most prime one.. and it paid out over 8 times for me until she caught on that they were all alts. Its the only path that allows you to use all three plays and not break the rules... lets look at some plays that break the rules:

3b -> 6b -> 12b This breaks the rules because 6b is not a listed amount.

500m -> 1b -> 3b This breaks the rules because 1b is not 2x what you would get back

500m -> 2b -> 4b This breaks the rules because 2b and 4b are not listed amounts..


So there is the magic guys! 50m -> 500m -> 3b is the only way I have calculated thus far that takes advantage of all three plays, AND follows all the rules, hidden or otherwise!

Also, if you are reading this, you better catch it and get your pay day before she sees it, I would expect her to change her rules up after she reads this post!


Anyway guys! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE clean this ***** out, I can NOT have honest isk doublers ruining the good name of scamming isk doublers!


Anyway... I warned you Erotica 1, I told you that if you did not pay me I would ruin you.... can you please put your tears in a jar.. and mail me that jar.. and maybe ill send you some of that isk I got off you back ;) sWeET dreams sugar!


what kind of rumplestiltskin bullshit is she up to? hahaha
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#48 - 2013-05-23 14:51:49 UTC
You know, I keep almost falling for this one. But no matter what shiny deal appears, always remember if it looks too good to be true, IT IS. Isk-doubling is a scam, no ifs, no buts!

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-05-23 15:28:24 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
You know, I keep almost falling for this one. But no matter what shiny deal appears, always remember if it looks too good to be true, IT IS. Isk-doubling is a scam, no ifs, no buts!


Nonsense. I have used Erotica 1's ISK doubling service in the past and only have good things to say about it. Turned a measly 500M into 15 billion!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#50 - 2013-05-23 21:32:27 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
You know, I keep almost falling for this one. But no matter what shiny deal appears, always remember if it looks too good to be true, IT IS. Isk-doubling is a scam, no ifs, no buts!


This always frustrates me. The scammers have ingrained it into people's heads this silly nonsense through their dishonourable actions.

Ask around my friend. I was the first to take this scam and make it legit by crafting rules designed to lead most players astray. In the beginning I had no idea if it would work or not. But as it turns out, there are plenty of people in Eve who do not take the time to read before sending isk.

If you need positive character references, I have thousands.

Contact me in game.

Also, due to my wild success, I have been doing some client appreciation events with larger payouts. If interested, simply ask. Even if you just want to kick back and chill with others, that is okay as well. I just have 3 rules for the room: no scamming, no trolling, and no potty mouths.

Thanks for your time.

Ero

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Worn Xeno
One over Zero
#51 - 2013-05-24 19:54:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Worn Xeno
A strange game...
The only winning move is not to play.

(In other words:
Treat this like a visit to the casino - all the money you bring with you is already forfeit.
Only do it if you want to experience the thrill - leaving the premises with any amount is merely a possible side-effect, not a goal.)
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
#52 - 2013-05-26 16:47:38 UTC
This scam still on ?

Cast the net enough, you are bound to get some idiots.

I sell drones and drones accessories.

Vanna Kjyshy
Hallowed Antiquity
#53 - 2013-06-13 14:11:08 UTC
You really thought this out well eh Erotica?

Don't you get like, bored out of your hat making new chars and posting bullkaka with them to promote your service?

Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#54 - 2013-06-13 17:12:06 UTC
Came for the skepticism, stayed for the lols.

CCP Falcon:  This thread is terrible.

Untanas Volmyr
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-06-13 19:29:19 UTC
Good game. Can anyone top it?

Murphy's Technology Law - If your not thoroughly confused. Then you were not thoroughly informed.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-06-14 00:43:15 UTC
Honest ISK doubler

lol
Caerfinon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-06-14 09:57:36 UTC
The only way to win at Three-card monty is not to play....

Cheers C.

@Caerfinon - Twitter

StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#58 - 2013-06-14 10:11:28 UTC
I´d realy like to test your 'magical path'. Though i lack the isk for it.

Can you borrow me the needed isk? I send them back afterwards.
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#59 - 2013-06-14 12:45:44 UTC
Vanna Kjyshy wrote:
You really thought this out well eh Erotica?

Don't you get like, bored out of your hat making new chars and posting bullkaka with them to promote your service?



+1
Relego
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-06-17 02:42:10 UTC
Bah, this is totally respectable. Sleight of hand and lying are totally different, and this is obviously the first. What's the problem?

I tested her service, and managed to make money. If you get greedy and misstep when gambling, the only person you can blame is... well, you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc

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