Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I fully support your sentiment, but I think the rep bonuses are here to stay, at least until the dev team is changed (I am not advocating this by the way ) burst tanking figures heavily in the balancing process, but to be effective I think it needs to be bigger say 10% per level as opposed to 7.5% after all you are trading cap for hp with every rep.

i would say keep the bonus at 7.5% just make it also reduce cap useage and increase effectiveness of heat.

That's because somebody with no sense of game balance designed the ASB. Then they realized how badly they f'd-up and went out and hired some people who actually could create reasonably balanced mods & ships. But instead of going back and fixing their shiite mistake, the powers that be decided (as always) to not admit their mistake and try covering it up by nerfing other stuff (active hardeners). Or at least that's my tinfoil hat theory. Sad part is, it's probably dead-on.

The AAR is not a bad mod as it is now. In fact, it's actually fairly good for what it does. The problem is that ASBs are just vastly superior and we use those as the baseline for comparison.

As for the OP. The bonus works pretty well on the Myrm. It's fantastic for taking on small groups. Never had much luck with it on the Brutix (or the CSs) though. Could probably go with a different bonus for those.

Active armor is pretty epic in PVE (you should see the things a Myrm can do, esp with 4 sentries now), so it's only PVP that it suffers. In that regard, it's very much the modules that are the problem. Armor reps are too slow- it's 12 secs a cycle for a medium rep. In a small gang, you're dead before even one cycle passes. Reps either need to move to the front of the cycle like shields, or cycle far, far more often (while maintaining reps/sec). A constant regen kind of deal would be cool, although probably server destroying.

The only time you see active armor reps in pvp is in frigates- and it's not a coincidence that small reppers have a 4 second (with skills) cycle. None of this is new or has changed in the 4 years I've been playing.

Regarding AAR, they need their reload time massively reduced. I'd aim for a 50% uptime. 60 sec reload after 18 seconds of reps is too much.

There have been noticeable increases in the number of Myrms and Brutix being flown since 1.1, but I definitely won't say that we're fully happy with the state of those active armor bonuses. We're continuing to tweak and observe results as always.

Add a AAR reload time bonus to the brutix and myrm imo.

Right now a decently fit Dual Rep Brutix can get around 500 dps tanked, which is reasonable, but nowhere close to active shield setups and many other BCs can break that tank. We need MOAR tank to make it viable.

yes, maybe but i bet you 100$ they are passive fits.

they are more flawn because they got a bit less meh from the updates made others than the armor, but are still underperforming on the tank side, because of the ridiculous bonus.

thye NEED a bonus that both affect active and passive tanking, like other races...

The bonus' are just fine, particularly when you fit with a Triple Rep (2x T2 + 1 Aux) compared to the ASBs again is just fine as they last far longer, while still allowing those mids to be utilised for E-War (Web+Scram) without sacrificing the Resistiances or Buffer.

People make too big a deal over the ASB or Active Shield Ships in general, but honestly compared to an Armour Repping ship without maxed out skills and implants they are at a serious disadvantage where-as the Armour ships are useable even by fairly new players and will survive quite well.

This in-part is less down to how the Rep Bonus and Reps works in general and more down to the balance of Ammo Damage Types vs Resistances.

As it stands though the Myrm and Brutix honestly are perfectly fine, if they become easier to make Cap Stable or better Repping capabilities they will NEED to get their damage nerfed to compensate. I'm still not happy right now about the fact these ships are still split between Hybrids and Drones in terms of Damage, still believe they should be skewed towards one or the others.

Brutix should have no drones but a good Hybrid bonus
Myrm should have reduced Turret Slots (for more High-Slot Utility) to but maybe a bit of a buff such-as +1 Drone Per Level (like a Carrier) to compensate.

This would then shift most of the ewar and utility to the drones along with damage.

Even with this it's still not as unbalanced as asbs.