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[F3RR] Archeological Report 6.4.35 Public Release Available

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Zero Vigilant
Adamantine Corporation
#1 - 2013-06-07 22:18:41 UTC
With approval by me and the Resolve Absolute Record, we are releasing a archeological report that was filed on June 4th. The Titanium Resolve has pulled specific names for internal reasons. You may find the report available on our GalNet page here.

If there are any troubles with reading the report please say so on this thread.

We hope that this report may help the cluster in some way.

Thank you.

-Chief Overseer Zero Vigilant
-Titanium Resolve

Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-06-08 05:18:30 UTC
Some theorize that these ships are of an ancient design created by our ancestors, before the dark age when Eden was first discovered.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.

Aurora Fatalis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-13 14:07:25 UTC
I enjoy the initiative, but I hope you forgive me if I critique this report in the manner of a peer reviewer. No offense is meant to you, though perhaps something could be said of the educational level of the State War Academy when it comes to reporting scientific inquiry. While Archaeology is by no means an exact science, we must still agree to certain standards of publication if we are to uncover the mysteries of New Eden.

First off, I do not recognize any CONCORD tag affiliated with [REACTED] so I assume you mean you have redacted parts of the information. With so much of the data being redacted, it doesn't give much context other than "We found an old wreck and don't know where it's from".

It even lacks information as to where the wreckage was found - crucial information for any archaeological investigation. We should be able to verify that the wreckage exists and that the document is not a fabrication. I assume you were near Amarrian space, judging by the nebula shown in the pictures (which were appreciated), but the distinction of whether this was above Amarr Prime or if it was in some border system of the Khanid Kingdom is essential to identifying its purpose.

Also, your logs do not seem to show what sort of cargo was being hauled - something which most likely could aid in identifying the origin of the ships and their purpose. You classify them as an industrial ship. What kind? Was it a personnel transport? A science vessel? A military supply ship? Were the "5-6" vessels identical or did they appear to fulfill different roles?

I have submitted a report of my own to the Center for Advanced Studies which is currently awaiting peer review. While I expect to be rejected and asked to improve parts of it at least once, you're welcome to view it as an example of syntax.
http://eve-files.com/dl/263079

If Chribba told you not to trust him, would you?

Niko medes
Freeman Technologies
#4 - 2013-06-13 14:59:46 UTC
Good attempt at a report, Aurora hit all the critique points that I was going to comment on so I won't reiterate.

Look forward to seeing more reports in the future Zero!

I am curious though, what was found (if recovered) inside the containers that were jettisoned from the wreckage?
Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#5 - 2013-06-13 16:24:57 UTC
I would agree with Aurora. In particular there is a need for additional information on the type of ship. It would be useful to have some summary of your sensor logs to give an overview for publication. For instance, there is no immediate scale to the images provided, while basic hull dimensions were omitted from the text which would have helped the casual reader. These were only available in the detail of the sensor logs (although they were useful)

There also appears to be an inherent leap in the report from specifying that the ship does not match any currently known configuration to theorising that the ship is therefore of a much more ancient design. Were scans attempted that seek to identify the molecular compounds used in the hull's construction as I couldn't find evidence of this? Had these been undertaken the normal rate of decay might have been able to have been determined giving an approximate age to the wreck (with appropriate variance) and thus some indication as to the origin of this new class of wreck?

If details of the location are provided, the archaeological community will be able to undertake a much more detailed scan of the site and seek to establish the facts surrounding the sociological context of the crew and the specific circumstances leading to their demise.

I look forward with anticipation to reading further information on this find which may help towards the development of a workable hypothesis.

Fly Caldari!

Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#6 - 2013-06-13 16:27:35 UTC
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Some theorize that these ships are of an ancient design created by our ancestors, before the dark age when Eden was first discovered.


But at the moment these are only theories and are based on the flimsiest of evidence (where any is provided). These new sites need to be logged and findings shared so that theories can be put to appropriate testing.

Fly Caldari!

Aurora Fatalis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-13 16:43:28 UTC
Upon closer examination it seems the ship class you're referring to looks awfully similar to the ships I handled in my report. Perhaps it was the same civilization that utilized them? If yours were found, as I suspect, in Amarr space, it casts a shadow over my theory that this class of ship was indigenous to Feythabolis. If the Terran theory is correct, it might explain why the two sets of ships are found so far apart...

If Chribba told you not to trust him, would you?

Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-06-13 16:49:18 UTC
Brandi Wiseman wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Some theorize that these ships are of an ancient design created by our ancestors, before the dark age when Eden was first discovered.


But at the moment these are only theories and are based on the flimsiest of evidence (where any is provided). These new sites need to be logged and findings shared so that theories can be put to appropriate testing.


Agreed. That was my intent behind my previous statement and I apologize if I was unclear.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.

Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-06-13 16:49:57 UTC
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Brandi Wiseman wrote:
[quote=Nicolas Merovech]Some theorize that these ships are of an ancient design created by our ancestors, before the dark age when Eden was first discovered.


But at the moment these are only theories and are based on the flimsiest of evidence (where any is provided). These new sites need to be logged and findings shared so that theories can be put to appropriate testing.


Agreed. Your response describes my intent behind my previous statement and I apologize if I was unclear.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.

Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
#10 - 2013-06-13 17:06:05 UTC
These are both very articles/reports, and I am keenly interested in any updates or follow up studies these will lead to.

Though the Arek'Jaalan project currently is on low activity, it is not dead, and as long as people are willing to put effort into uncover our distant past and the mysteries that surround us, its spirit will live on.

Perhaps you can find room to make a link to your articles under on of the many A'J divisions, so they will be easy to find for future reference? If nothing else, I would gladly list them under the Ancient Races division which I generally tend to.

CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies Personal Biography

Aurora Fatalis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-06-13 18:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurora Fatalis
Myyona wrote:
These are both very articles/reports, and I am keenly interested in any updates or follow up studies these will lead to.

Though the Arek'Jaalan project currently is on low activity, it is not dead, and as long as people are willing to put effort into uncover our distant past and the mysteries that surround us, its spirit will live on.

Perhaps you can find room to make a link to your articles under on of the many A'J divisions, so they will be easy to find for future reference? If nothing else, I would gladly list them under the Ancient Races division which I generally tend to.

I heard about the Arek'Jaalan project during my training, and would be honored to contribute in any way I can. I heard it was mostly concerned with the Sleepers, yet I see now that you deal with many more topics.

However, as our expeditions both were inconclusive, I do not know where to submit the link to my article. It does not seem to apply to any given project currently stated, as we do not know whether the ships in question be related to the Talocan, the Jove, or someone else. I would have created a project to investigate the history of the Feythabolis region, yet Zero Vigilant's article seems to imply this kind of ship is no local affair.

If Chribba told you not to trust him, would you?

Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines
#12 - 2013-06-13 22:31:05 UTC
I am by no means a "Learned Man" with respect to the Pilots who have posted here thus far. I am however a man who loves history and always enjoys a good mystery. I've had a few run ins with Sleepers in the past and they both terrify and entrance me. If I can help in any way either to this specific archeological find or the Arek'Jaalan project I would be happy to.
Zero Vigilant
Adamantine Corporation
#13 - 2013-06-25 00:59:25 UTC
I wish to apologize for the late reply to this post. To help clarify the released report, there were some errors when the report was drafted and all of these errors were pointed out by Aurora Fatalis.

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First off, I do not recognize any CONCORD tag affiliated with [REACTED] so I assume you mean you have redacted parts of the information. With so much of the data being redacted, it doesn't give much context other than "We found an old wreck and don't know where it's from".


We had to remove some information as a form of "censorship" in order to prevent any potential threats to our operations from some of the more...darker parts of New Eden.

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It even lacks information as to where the wreckage was found - crucial information for any archaeological investigation. We should be able to verify that the wreckage exists and that the document is not a fabrication. I assume you were near Amarrian space, judging by the nebula shown in the pictures (which were appreciated), but the distinction of whether this was above Amarr Prime or if it was in some border system of the Khanid Kingdom is essential to identifying its purpose.


The location of the wreckage we will not release as a protective measure however, the wreckage was discovered in an undisclosed location in the Domain Region.

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Also, your logs do not seem to show what sort of cargo was being hauled - something which most likely could aid in identifying the origin of the ships and their purpose. You classify them as an industrial ship. What kind? Was it a personnel transport? A science vessel? A military supply ship? Were the "5-6" vessels identical or did they appear to fulfill different roles?


We cannot exactly answer these questions as the contents of the ship were not fully examined due to outside interference, so we cannot truly answer this question. But from investigation of the ship's hull, we concluded that it had no visible weapon ports that may have existed at some point (of course we could be wrong), so we simply assumed it was a industrial ship of some kind.

Now to answer other questions and criticism

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There also appears to be an inherent leap in the report from specifying that the ship does not match any currently known configuration to theorising that the ship is therefore of a much more ancient design. Were scans attempted that seek to identify the molecular compounds used in the hull's construction as I couldn't find evidence of this? Had these been undertaken the normal rate of decay might have been able to have been determined giving an approximate age to the wreck (with appropriate variance) and thus some indication as to the origin of this new class of wreck?


We did not have the proper equipment at the time of the discovery to fully identify the molecular compounds used in the hull's construction, nor could we have figured out the approximate age. If we come across similar tombs again, we will take samples.


If any more of these space tombs are truly discovered, we will launch a more detailed investigate and publish a much more thorough archeological report. Thank you for all who have commented and shared your theories and I hope that this investigation continues.

-Zero Vigilant
-Chief Overseer
-Titanium Resolve
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#14 - 2013-06-25 04:43:37 UTC
Interesting. I've primarily focused my efforts on Anoikis, but these ghost ships just might lure me back into exploring known-space.

Are there any older reported sightings of these sorts of wrecks? If so, it might be wise to compare notes with those reports.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

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