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Faction Warfare Missions - Mechanic Changed?
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Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#1 - 2013-06-12 00:13:35 UTC
I have not done Faction Warfare missions for a good year or so. But recently I thought I would teach a few members within my corp how to do them, should we choose to do an "LP farm" day. As we got set up we said "Screw it" and went to Pew instead, this didn't really worry me due to the mechanic that allowed us to fail / expire a mission without consequence.

Today I checked my Mission log and it appears I still had the mission inside my journal under "Expired". Thinking nothing of it I proceeded to fail the mission at which point I had gained a standing hit to both Faction and State Protectorate.

Previously it had been set up that you could fail the missions without consequence. I understand people used to "Cherry Pick" and decline missions - This had been changed to prevent them from doing so).

So my question is -

When did this come into effect? Is this working as intended? What is the point of applying standing hits for expired Faction Warfare missions? If they are expired can I still complete them?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#2 - 2013-06-12 01:16:38 UTC
You can decline a mission once per 4 hours per agent. You can continue to decline missions for a bit of a militia hit and a minuscule faction hit. This meant that unless your militia standing went below -2 from declining so many bad missions you could accept lvl 4 missions based on your overall faction standings.

If you accept a mission it can be let expire with no effect on any standings.

If you accept a mission and fail it you will be hit as you were, and that has always been the case.

Should have just let the mission expire.
Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#3 - 2013-06-12 01:53:18 UTC
There's an expired missions tab....bugger mine must be full to the brim as I generaly can't be arsed to complete a lot of missions...

Once a mission is expired I never think about it again.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#4 - 2013-06-12 03:47:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sean Parisi
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
You can decline a mission once per 4 hours per agent. You can continue to decline missions for a bit of a militia hit and a minuscule faction hit. This meant that unless your militia standing went below -2 from declining so many bad missions you could accept lvl 4 missions based on your overall faction standings.

If you accept a mission it can be let expire with no effect on any standings.

If you accept a mission and fail it you will be hit as you were, and that has always been the case.

Should have just let the mission expire.


I never even bothered opening the mission. Its literally been expired for the past week in a half, never removed itself like it usually does. I do not understand why it hasn't, typically it just disappears - this is why im confused. In order to remove it I actually have to "Fail it"

I understand the decline timer on the missions. But I accepted the mission, knowing that if I was to not bother with it - it would just disappear after the timer ran out. But its still in my mission log a week and a half later with "Expired". Which makes me think they might of changed it.
Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#5 - 2013-06-12 12:34:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Garan Nardieu
Sean Parisi wrote:

I understand the decline timer on the missions. But I accepted the mission, knowing that if I was to not bother with it - it would just disappear after the timer ran out. But its still in my mission log a week and a half later with "Expired". Which makes me think they might of changed it.


Your mistake was accepting missions.
Once you do that, there's no expiration w/o loss of standing, you either finish them or get standings hit.
Don't know if there was a time when this wouldn't have happened, but from I remember that the same logic applied when I last did my lvl4's in hisec (more than a year ago). The only situation which would not end in standings hit was declining missions.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-06-12 12:48:01 UTC
Garan Nardieu wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:

I understand the decline timer on the missions. But I accepted the mission, knowing that if I was to not bother with it - it would just disappear after the timer ran out. But its still in my mission log a week and a half later with "Expired". Which makes me think they might of changed it.


Your mistake was accepting missions.
Once you do that, there's no expiration w/o loss of standing, you either finish them or get standings hit.
Don't know if there was a time when this wouldn't have happened, but from I remember that the same logic applied when I last did my lvl4's in hisec (more than a year ago). The only situation which would not end in standings hit was declining missions.

it's still this way for lvl4's.

accepted? finish it or have standings hit

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#7 - 2013-06-12 21:08:36 UTC
Garan Nardieu wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:

I understand the decline timer on the missions. But I accepted the mission, knowing that if I was to not bother with it - it would just disappear after the timer ran out. But its still in my mission log a week and a half later with "Expired". Which makes me think they might of changed it.


Your mistake was accepting missions.
Once you do that, there's no expiration w/o loss of standing, you either finish them or get standings hit.
Don't know if there was a time when this wouldn't have happened, but from I remember that the same logic applied when I last did my lvl4's in hisec (more than a year ago). The only situation which would not end in standings hit was declining missions.


High Sec missions were always this way. FW missions weren't previously this way. Originally it was - They expire, then they disappear. Because each mission has about 11-24 hours to complete (In comparison to HS missions which are a week) and you have the high chance of being pushed out of your mission depending on how you do it.

This is why I'm confused. Originally it wasn't an issue, but now it seems to be following the same rules of High Sec missions. Which makes me not even want to bother with them anymore at all.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#8 - 2013-06-12 21:22:58 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
This is why I'm confused. Originally it wasn't an issue, but now it seems to be following the same rules of High Sec missions. Which makes me not even want to bother with them anymore at all.

If this is true then report it as a bug. Originally FW missions were like regular missions except the risk of loss to your standings was too great for anybody to bother doing them. So, they got rid of the standings hit for failing a mission, and the farming commenced..
Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#9 - 2013-06-13 01:01:03 UTC
I'd just leave them in the 'expired' section of the mission logs TBH (but I'm probably too lasy to clean them out)

As long as they don't dissapear and cause standing loss then leave them there. If they do go and cause standing loss then I'd petition it. If I could bother that is. Big smile

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#10 - 2013-06-13 03:59:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I'd just leave them in the 'expired' section of the mission logs TBH (but I'm probably too lasy to clean them out)

As long as they don't dissapear and cause standing loss then leave them there. If they do go and cause standing loss then I'd petition it. If I could bother that is. Big smile


I cant even find an expired section. If they stay forever there must be a lot in mine since often id get half way round and just call it quits if i got close to home.
Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#11 - 2013-06-13 14:00:35 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I'd just leave them in the 'expired' section of the mission logs TBH (but I'm probably too lasy to clean them out)

As long as they don't dissapear and cause standing loss then leave them there. If they do go and cause standing loss then I'd petition it. If I could bother that is. Big smile


I cant even find an expired section. If they stay forever there must be a lot in mine since often id get half way round and just call it quits if i got close to home.


TBH I can't even remember when I opened the missions section in my journal. I just assumed there was an expired section from Sean's post

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#12 - 2013-06-13 14:32:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I'd just leave them in the 'expired' section of the mission logs TBH (but I'm probably too lasy to clean them out)

As long as they don't dissapear and cause standing loss then leave them there. If they do go and cause standing loss then I'd petition it. If I could bother that is. Big smile


I cant even find an expired section. If they stay forever there must be a lot in mine since often id get half way round and just call it quits if i got close to home.


TBH I can't even remember when I opened the missions section in my journal. I just assumed there was an expired section from Sean's post


Nah, he has to have 'failed mission' before it had expired. You have always received a standings hit for doing that, one much harsher than just rejecting more than one mission offer.
Samuel Woodbury
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-06-13 14:54:47 UTC
Man, missions did not change in years i don't know what you are talking about, and you know how it would of been carebears would of cried about it on the forums for ever and you would of heard of it.....
Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-13 14:55:40 UTC
This has happened to me a few times, just petition it.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#15 - 2013-06-13 15:23:53 UTC
Julius Foederatus wrote:
This has happened to me a few times, just petition it.



You cant petition a standing loss when you actively clicked 'fail mission' on a mission that you accepted and had not yet expired.

Once expired there is no way it can result in a standing hit.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#16 - 2013-06-13 21:14:07 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Julius Foederatus wrote:
This has happened to me a few times, just petition it.



You cant petition a standing loss when you actively clicked 'fail mission' on a mission that you accepted and had not yet expired.

Once expired there is no way it can result in a standing hit.


Still have the expired mission in my Journal (Faction Warfare Mission). Going to see if they remove it. Used to them typically just disappearing as opposed to staying around like a bad acquaintance haha.
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#17 - 2013-06-13 21:24:03 UTC
Julius Foederatus wrote:
This has happened to me a few times, just send a support ticket.


New verbiage is in.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#18 - 2013-06-13 21:26:35 UTC
Wrong section of forums, should of posted this in COAD as that the carebear section.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#19 - 2013-06-13 21:33:52 UTC
CCP quality product.

FW is too buggy again :( better to stay away from it.