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If you want to switch from TEST to Goonswarm, here's how.

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Pleasure Kevin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-13 18:42:39 UTC
Hi.

There's a war going on and it's a lot of fun. When the servers can handle it. It's especially fun for me because I'm an economics student and the aspect of money in the game is neat for me, as it is in real life!

This war may be really expensive for you. In economics the assumption is that people generally make decisions that make them the best off financially. But if that was entirely true, we might never have wars and just mine all day, and that's not nearly as fun. That's why there is the concept of "utility" in economics which basically means enjoyment. We like to fight and to work together in corps, so it's worth the cost.

Still, people want to get the most utility and to get it for the best price. Basically I'm saying,

  • You should pick the side that is going to be cheapest to fight for, the side that gives you free, fully fitted ships and ISK and everything you need to keep fighting as long as you can stay awake.

  • You should play for the side that is going to win.

  • You should play for the side that is the most fun.

  • This isn't a war about ideologies or broken honour or anything like. I'm sure if many people wanted to swap sides, they would find a way, but they have a certain sense of allegiance to their side. If you're one of those that realizes this is just a video game, and it's just about maximizing your space profits and fun, then talk to me.

    I won't argue about which side is more fun, but I have characters on both and I find Goonwaffe to be the best. Just my opinion, I guess.

    Here's the requirements:

  • Don't be a newb. Sorry. This is to prevent spies from registering a new account and taking advantage.

  • It costs 200 million ISK. Sponsoring a defector takes time and paper work, and being an economist, I want to get money for my time, and contribute to the war chest. Probably about half my space wealth is just due to being a Goon and I like to give back. You can easily make this money back just by asking for ISK nicely. That's the nature of CFC, it's space communism except all the commies are rich.

  • Message me IN-GAME. I have to check Mumble, Jabber, the Goon Forums, and a thousand chat channels in game, so if you message me on these forums I'll probably read it much, much later. Tell me what you fly in your message so I can find a fleet that can use you.

  • I'll probably only process about 5 - 10 people, depending on how much time I have. This is not an official recruitment thing. We are not short on people or cash. I just personally think there should be an avenue to switch over. It should be like the free market, where you can freely make the decision that sets you up the best.
    chatgris
    Quantum Cats Syndicate
    The Network.
    #2 - 2013-06-13 18:44:45 UTC
    Recruitment or CAOD are better forums for this I think.

    Or better yet, C&P since the standard "pay ISK and you get into goonswarm" is the oldest scam around :)
    Pleasure Kevin
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #3 - 2013-06-13 18:47:36 UTC
    chatgris wrote:
    Recruitment or CAOD are better forums for this I think.

    Or better yet, C&P since the standard "pay ISK and you get into goonswarm" is the oldest scam around :)


    Is there a way to move it. Like I said, I don't use the forums much.
    Acwron
    Meet The Fockers
    #4 - 2013-06-13 18:57:16 UTC
    Pleasure Kevin wrote:
    chatgris wrote:
    Recruitment or CAOD are better forums for this I think.

    Or better yet, C&P since the standard "pay ISK and you get into goonswarm" is the oldest scam around :)


    Is there a way to move it. Like I said, I don't use the forums much.


    The war just started and you already beg for ISK ? That's not a good sign.

    Death to all goons ! In game, of course...
    Pleasure Kevin
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #5 - 2013-06-13 19:01:58 UTC
    Acwron wrote:
    Pleasure Kevin wrote:
    chatgris wrote:
    Recruitment or CAOD are better forums for this I think.

    Or better yet, C&P since the standard "pay ISK and you get into goonswarm" is the oldest scam around :)


    Is there a way to move it. Like I said, I don't use the forums much.


    The war just started and you already beg for ISK ? That's not a good sign.

    Death to all goons ! In game, of course...


    It' not official recruitment, just personal sponsorship. But I knew someone would say this!
    X Gallentius
    Quantum Cats Syndicate
    The Network.
    #6 - 2013-06-13 19:40:13 UTC
    Please send your isk to ME and join JUSTK instead. You'll have more fun and we'll actually accept you into our corporation (unlike the original poster).

    Deacon Abox
    Black Eagle5
    #7 - 2013-06-13 20:42:23 UTC
    X Gallentius wrote:
    Please send your isk to ME and join JUSTK instead. You'll have more fun and we'll actually accept you into our corporation (unlike the original poster).


    Confirming that a few months ago I sent XG 200 million ISK, or I might have said I was even though I never did, and was accepted to JUSTK.

    Also confirming that I'm having a blast losing derptrons and attritioncats with some reliability (when I'm actually in game which as of late has been not as much, and when I'm not flying a fully tech II fit Maulus, but not with tech II damps because they suck too much cap, but anyway the Maulus is the most awesome ship in the game) all while frying up loads of squid flesh for later consumption, or donations to the poor refugees in the warzone, and typing long run-on sentences on the forums. Soylent Green and all that.

    Derp o7

    CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

    Bad Messenger
    Rehabilitation Clinic
    #8 - 2013-06-13 21:23:02 UTC
    X Gallentius wrote:
    Please send your isk to ME and join JUSTK instead. You'll have more fun and we'll actually accept you into our corporation (unlike the original poster).



    can i join?
    Pax Thar
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #9 - 2013-06-13 23:14:33 UTC
    Lol

    "You can sorta join and help us kill TEST for the low low price of..."
    Tinu Moorhsum
    Random Events
    #10 - 2013-06-13 23:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum
    Bad Messenger wrote:
    X Gallentius wrote:
    Please send your isk to ME and join JUSTK instead. You'll have more fun and we'll actually accept you into our corporation (unlike the original poster).



    can i join?


    Well on the one hand, Goons are so full of spies already that one more wouldn't matter, really.

    But I do wonder if the OP's CEO knows that he just opened the barn doors to let the wolves in. LOL

    @Kevin, here's a protip mate. Someone in test *will* apply and you'll think you're doing the right thing. Then that character will AWOKS someone which causes Goons to immediately reset your corporation no matter where you are or what you're doing until the issue is resolved.

    If you let in 5 as you say you will, then it will happen over while they laugh at you and taunt you for being mentally challenged. And i'm pretty sure that even Goons don't have the patience for muliple AWOKSers from one corp.... So just think about what you're offering here before you fcuk up life for everyone in your corp and get yourself kicked out as well for being naïeve. Just saying.
    Pleasure Kevin
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #11 - 2013-06-13 23:50:05 UTC
    Tinu Moorhsum wrote:

    @Kevin, here's a protip mate. Someone in test *will* apply and you'll think you're doing the right thing. Then that character will AWOKS someone which causes Goons to immediately reset your corporation no matter where you are or what you're doing until the issue is resolved.

    If you let in 5 as you say you will, then it will happen over while they laugh at you and taunt you for being mentally challenged. And i'm pretty sure that even Goons don't have the patience for muliple AWOKSers from one corp.... So just think about what you're offering here before you **** up life for everyone in your corp and get yourself kicked out as well for being naïeve. Just saying.


    It would be their loss because it is a fun corp.
    Tinu Moorhsum
    Random Events
    #12 - 2013-06-13 23:59:04 UTC
    Here's a video to watch while we wait to see how this pans out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvj_acGhbPk
    Sean Parisi
    Blackrise Vanguard
    United Caldari Space Command.
    #13 - 2013-06-14 01:27:13 UTC
    I weighed the options and realized I have far more fun pewing with my Caldari and Gallente buddies.
    Pr1ncess Alia
    Doomheim
    #14 - 2013-06-14 04:01:49 UTC
    this is not a scam

    confirming that if you send me all your isk I'll make sure you're "taken care of"
    Robert Caldera
    Caldera Trading and Investment
    #15 - 2013-06-14 09:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
    goonscum propaganda in Warfare and Tactics thread?? lock this **** please.
    Fret Thiesant
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #16 - 2013-06-14 10:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Fret Thiesant
    Hello there OP.

    I have long wanted to join the swarm. To me there is no other corp that really matters in eve; after all goons control everything and there is no fun to be had in fighting for an underdog.

    This is the first legit goonie recruit si I thank you for making it!

    However as someone that reads the wall street joural, i realize that i need some collateral to secure this 200 mill I will be sending you. Therefore I humbly ask that you contract me an Orca at jita 4-4. I shall contract it back to you once my app has been accepted and i've settled into goonie life.

    I hope to hear from you soon.
    Major Killz
    inglorious bastards.
    #17 - 2013-06-14 12:05:39 UTC
    Hi! What's happening in this thread?

    [u]Ich bin ein Pirat ![/u]

    Tyrell Cadabra
    Brave Newbies Inc.
    Brave Collective
    #18 - 2013-06-14 12:34:29 UTC
    Invasion kinda stuck at the beach eh? Pirate
    Major Killz
    inglorious bastards.
    #19 - 2013-06-14 14:11:03 UTC
    Tyrell Cadabra wrote:
    Invasion kinda stuck at the beach eh? Pirate



    http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Fountain

    Seems like that's not the case. Systems are flipping fairly quickly in fact.

    [u]Ich bin ein Pirat ![/u]

    Cearain
    Plus 10 NV
    #20 - 2013-06-14 14:40:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
    Pleasure Kevin wrote:

    ...

  • You should pick the side that is going to be cheapest to fight for, the side that gives you free, fully fitted ships and ISK and everything you need to keep fighting as long as you can stay awake.

  • ...

  • You should play for the side that is the most fun..



  • I agree this doesn't really belong here it belongs in jita chat. But while your here I have a few questions.

    I think eve pvp can be exciting because:

    1) I like to see what I can come up with to fit a ship and see how it does. So there is sort of a battle of ideas that creates some stakes with whoever I am fighting.

    2) There is also the stake of economics. If I lose I am out the isk and time to reship etc. If I win I might get some loot.

    3) I can choose to do different things during the fight whether try to go in close range or long range or use transversal etc.


    As I understand it, if goons fly pretty much the same fit your alliance tells you to fly you get reimbursed in full.

    Moreover for the most part the fcs can be pretty draconian about how you fly your ship in a fleet.

    So you are flying a ship that you had no input in designing. You are flying it just how someone else tells you your need to fly it. And you really don't care if it blows up because your risk adverse alliance horded enough isk that they will just spawn another for you.

    Where is the fun or excitement in that?

    Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

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