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[ALXVP] War Declaration: Pyre Falcon Defence Combine

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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#181 - 2013-06-13 14:54:22 UTC
I am forced to interject in some small way at this point. I apologize for commenting on an affair which is not my business, but I feel compelled.

PYRE, you shame yourselves with this display of vitriol. You claim to be away from the defense of your home to train, yet when another corporation comes to you to both a) remind you of your home, and b) provide you some measure of that training you claim to be detached for, you scorn and ridicule them in public. You are either hopeless braggarts or lying about your reasons for your detachment. It is my hope that neither of these are true, and that you have simply forgotten yourselves in the heat of battle. The proper action to conclude this war would be to thank your opponent for the engagement and lessons learned, then speak no further of it.

The invectives I read here sadden me. Please consider what you were doing while Admiral Yanala joined the winds overlooking Shiigeru, and think on how those actions you were taking helped your kinsmen and kirjuunen.

I look forward to seeing PYRE bravely defending the States' borders once more.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#182 - 2013-06-13 15:11:35 UTC
Japes, boasting and bullies on one side, and people ready to declare war and put lives at stake but unable to cope with outsiders that will start to bid on the death they will cause.

I guess, maybe, that all of this perfectly fits to the tapestry of the IGS ?
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#183 - 2013-06-13 15:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
Pardon me, but I find it extremely difficult to give a damn about accusations of 'being a bully' when I merely expect my foe to conduct themselves to a higher standard of strength and transparency in defeat. This is not the school yard contrary to what many of you appear to believe and if you seek to move a grown woman by calling her words like 'bully' then you sorely need a reality check.

If my kind words have somehow caused any members of Alexylva sufferance then so good. I hope that they fester and brew inside if their dark lonely little corner of space and they, unable to ignore the oppressive desire to redeem themselves that they may emerge as stronger warriors who are able to follow through on their convictions. Perhaps then they will be inflict war upon DUTY once more to the betterment of all pilots involved and together we can improve ourselves in the disciplines that only bloodshed can harbor.

Such petulant tattle; enough. You shame yourself and you shame Alexylva Paradox by giving them this pity fare and rising so to their defense. No, I will give them higher respect than that; I have faith that the Paradox will lick their wounds and emerge even stronger in the future. You have given them no such credit.

I would stamp out their weakness.

You would harbor it.

Tell me, am I wrong?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#184 - 2013-06-13 16:49:17 UTC
Two things.
1) They didn't provide any opportunity for such a training. They made big claims, bigger threats and announements, then copped out before even trying to commit on any basis. I was actually looking forward to see some adversity and struggle, especially to strengthen our own unit, and if you follow the evolution of this particular thread you can see that the ridicule started after more and more reasons for deserving such cropped up.
2) There is no need to brag about this. I've answered questions raised truthfully, but in the end I don't see this as any achievement on our part, or a won war. There was no offensive or serious hostile intent in the first place, and I'm hoping that at least some people in here understand that we're used to much more density of conflict when business goes on as usual.

I'm utterly disappointed that you'd even consider that such a laughable score - one destroyed cruiser - is reason for us to brag or feel like we've accomplished something special.


Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#185 - 2013-06-13 17:07:52 UTC
I am disappointed that this ever came to pass, much less the manner of it. The least said the better, I think.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#186 - 2013-06-13 22:18:35 UTC
Halete wrote:
Pardon me, but I find it extremely difficult to give a damn about accusations of 'being a bully'

[followed by a lot of justifications]


Then why do you care so much ? It does not make any sense.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#187 - 2013-06-13 23:09:54 UTC
Anslo wrote:
keep pointing out the obvious. You've done a swell enough job of it anyway.


The only obvious thing here is how unstable and unhinged you are.


Laurienne 'Quafegirl' Cherbourg wrote:
Hm... Katarina... a woman knows when another woman is aroused!


So, apparently, you're not a woman?

Do you also realize that I'm old enough to be Anslo's mother? Though, that apparently turned Anslo on. He asked me out right after hearing Sid call me "mom."

Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
Touching on that, yes the initiation of betting really put me off from fighting. This is simply due to private beliefs that are a result of my upbringing and background within my clan


This is something important for people to recognize. Especially for the Gallenteans. Gallenteans often see many of our rituals and traditions as being "brutal" and "barbaric," but we take these things, especially anything that can cost lives, very seriously (excluding some outliers which can be found in any culture). Such things are not a game.

Meanwhile, the Gallenteans claim cultural and moral superiority, yet are happy to set up betting on the loss of lives in a war, as if war was just some game to gamble on.

I mean, we still have Anslo working out who "won" the bet, Anslo determining and facilitating someone profiting off of lives lost.

Anslo wrote:
Anyway, the bet's winner is TBD since the losses were at 50m, but no one actually BET on 50m...so uh....I gotta figure out how...this one works.


If his claim that the betting was a ploy, planned to shame Saede's corp into giving up the war, he would be returning all bets to the betters and declaring no winner, thus no one profiting off of the lives lost.

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#188 - 2013-06-13 23:46:29 UTC
Halete wrote:
a grown woman . . . then you sorely need a reality check.



My dear, you're the one who needs a reality check. You are still just a child, yet you try to speak to your own elders as if you are the elder. Not only is that an excessive level of impudence, but it is also the actions of a "bully," trying to beat people down on an emotional level but talking to them as if you are their elder, as if you are the authority figure.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#189 - 2013-06-14 07:33:57 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

Then why do you care so much ? It does not make any sense.


Human beings have this concept called communication. We use this to present and compare our views. Surely I could keep my peace and be perfectly happy but that would do very little to stem your flamboyant gallivanting and white knighting.

But I suspect you would have had no cause to reply in this manner if you spent as much time studying reading comprehension as you spend being petulant and contrary for the sake of that alone on these boards.

Katarina Musana wrote:

My dear, you're the one who needs a reality check. You are still just a child, yet you try to speak to your own elders as if you are the elder. Not only is that an excessive level of impudence, but it is also the actions of a "bully," trying to beat people down on an emotional level but talking to them as if you are their elder, as if you are the authority figure.


Cease your mewling, pup. Considering that every single conversation I have observed with you in it has inevitably degraded into you playing the age card you forfeit the title of elder. Elders are wise beyond their years, not measured by the number of years they have lived. You on the other hand seem to believe that the act of simply existing for longer than your peers entitles you to some higher measure of respect.

I pray that some day you shall be able to stand up your own merit so that perhaps for once I could listen to you for a full five minutes without you feeling the need to hold your age above the head of your clear superiors.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#190 - 2013-06-14 11:00:44 UTC
Halete wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

Then why do you care so much ? It does not make any sense.


Human beings have this concept called communication. We use this to present and compare our views. Surely I could keep my peace and be perfectly happy but that would do very little to stem your flamboyant gallivanting and white knighting.

But I suspect you would have had no cause to reply in this manner if you spent as much time studying reading comprehension as you spend being petulant and contrary for the sake of that alone on these boards.


That is an interesting attempt at dehumanization - implying that the individual is not human, coupled with a few personal attacks on reading comprehension, how trite are they, but very fitting to the medium.

Instead of answering to the point.

Anyway, I fail to see how I am "contrary for the sake of that alone" when I am merely giving my opinion on the matter ? Maybe you could tell that to everyone, then ?
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#191 - 2013-06-14 11:02:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarina Musana
Halete wrote:
Cease your mewling, pup. Considering that every single conversation I have observed with you in it has inevitably degraded into you playing the age card you forfeit the title of elder. Elders are wise beyond their years, not measured by the number of years they have lived. You on the other hand seem to believe that the act of simply existing for longer than your peers entitles you to some higher measure of respect.

I pray that some day you shall be able to stand up your own merit so that perhaps for once I could listen to you for a full five minutes without you feeling the need to hold your age above the head of your clear superiors.


Elders are wise because of their years, dear. You would do well to learn this. And I only point out my age when it is relevant, such as when an arrogant pup like you acts as if she is an elder when she is merely an impudant, deranged child.

You have a severe inferiority complex, Halete. You should see a psychiatrist about it.

And I pray that someday you'll realize just how little you really know and understand and that you should have listened to those with more experience than you.

But, considering how you've turned your back on your people, I guess it's no surprise that you would turn your back on our traditions as well.


Oh, and if you look, I never commented on how much older than you I am in the post you quoted. I was actually refering to the fact that Streya is older and more experienced than you, something I would've pointed out even if I were a mere 10-year-old. Perhaps if I ask my 19-year-old daughter to explain this to you, you'll listen? Since you seem to think that younger means more experienced and more knowledgeable.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#192 - 2013-06-14 12:01:20 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

Anyway, I fail to see how I am "contrary for the sake of that alone" when I am merely giving my opinion on the matter ? Maybe you could tell that to everyone, then ?


It's hardly an attempt at dehumanization when you do all of the ground work for me, Lyn. Of course you fail to see it, you seem to fail to understand people as a whole. Just ask anybody about how they feel about your tired interjections and incessant questioning.

Katarina Musana wrote:
You have a severe inferiority complex, Halete. You should see a psychiatrist about it.

And I pray that someday you'll realize just how little you really know and understand and that you should have listened to those with more experience than you.

But, considering how you've turned your back on your people, I guess it's no surprise that you would turn your back on our traditions as well.


I see that you have nothing tangible to offer as a response and have elected instead to cry as loudly as possible to get your way. Suit yourself.

Quote:
I was actually refering to the fact that Streya is older and more experienced than you, something I would've pointed out even if I were a mere 10-year-old. Perhaps if I ask my 19-year-old daughter to explain this to you, you'll listen? Since you seem to think that younger means more experienced and more knowledgeable.


I'm impressed by how somebody so wise struggles with this most basic of concepts that they misconstrue my perspective so perfectly. No, Streya is not more experienced than me, nor is she more knowledgeable; she herself will attest to at least the former.

Ava Starfire is my elder. She has my respect because she has earned it and demonstrated her wisdom.

You are an elder to no-one. You demand respect for essentially nothing and have absolutely nothing to offer anybody that you've been willing to show that might earn you the status of elder.

Now hold your tongue. If you are going to act so brattish and entitled then speak as a child does - only with permission.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#193 - 2013-06-14 12:57:39 UTC
Halete wrote:
You are an elder to no-one. You demand respect for essentially nothing and have absolutely nothing to offer anybody that you've been willing to show that might earn you the status of elder.

Now hold your tongue. If you are going to act so brattish and entitled then speak as a child does - only with permission.



I demand nothing. I am merely pointing out that you are nothing but an impudent, spoiled brat of a child with a severe inferiority complex who never even learned the most basic of lessons such as respecting your elders and believes she can bully people just by talking down to them.

If you were as wise as you think you are, you would know that the way you talk to people accomplishes nothing. Except, you do actually know this. You know that it will make people hate you, which is exactly what you want, because you're only capable of validating your existence by the amount of hatred people have towards you.

The thing is, you're failing, dear. I don't hate you. I pity you. Pity is about all you really ever get.

Anslo should ask you out. You two children deserve each other.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#194 - 2013-06-14 13:29:59 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:

I demand nothing. I am merely pointing out that you are nothing but an impudent, spoiled brat of a child with a severe inferiority complex who never even learned the most basic of lessons such as respecting your elders and believes she can bully people just by talking down to them.


I see we've reached the phase where you begin rehashing your own arguments having run out of constructive points whilst wetting yourself in sheer rage.

The thing is, old crone, I do not validate myself by how much I am hated. My heart swells only with compassion for my fellow Minmatar, can you say the same?

This is why I shall continue to bring my fellow man into His light.

Whilst you shall continue to fill these forums with your hatred, devoid of any tactile ability or wit.

Tell me, girl, do you not just feel a sliver of futility when you constantly call your peers children whilst doing the GalNet equivalent of screaming incomprehensibly at anybody who disagrees with you? Do you not feel just somewhat daft when you blame people like me for the violence innate in the Republic when you yourself embody that spirit of anger and intolerance?

Now go nap. You're grumpy.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#195 - 2013-06-14 16:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Halete wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

Anyway, I fail to see how I am "contrary for the sake of that alone" when I am merely giving my opinion on the matter ? Maybe you could tell that to everyone, then ?


It's hardly an attempt at dehumanization when you do all of the ground work for me, Lyn. Of course you fail to see it, you seem to fail to understand people as a whole. Just ask anybody about how they feel about your tired interjections and incessant questioning.


Still failed to address the point, and, again, going for red-herrings.

You also spend your time throwing accusations without giving out examples. That is full of thin air, at best.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#196 - 2013-06-14 17:32:23 UTC
Well, you're nagging from the sidelines, stroking your own moral superiority.
We're hardly free of blame, all around.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#197 - 2013-06-14 18:47:40 UTC
I am not sure to see what has moral superiority to do with this, but in any case, isn't it the point of the IGS, to debate, discuss ?

If you do not want to deal with people "nagging from the sidelines", why answering in this thread ?
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#198 - 2013-06-15 00:14:13 UTC
Halete wrote:
Katarina Musana wrote:

I demand nothing. I am merely pointing out that you are nothing but an impudent, spoiled brat of a child with a severe inferiority complex who never even learned the most basic of lessons such as respecting your elders and believes she can bully people just by talking down to them.


I see we've reached the phase where you begin rehashing your own arguments having run out of constructive points whilst wetting yourself in sheer rage.

The thing is, old crone, I do not validate myself by how much I am hated. My heart swells only with compassion for my fellow Minmatar, can you say the same?

This is why I shall continue to bring my fellow man into His light.

Whilst you shall continue to fill these forums with your hatred, devoid of any tactile ability or wit.

Tell me, girl, do you not just feel a sliver of futility when you constantly call your peers children whilst doing the GalNet equivalent of screaming incomprehensibly at anybody who disagrees with you? Do you not feel just somewhat daft when you blame people like me for the violence innate in the Republic when you yourself embody that spirit of anger and intolerance?

Now go nap. You're grumpy.


Your delusions have reached the point of hilarity, my dear. You really are perfectly suited for Anslo.

You heart swells with compassion, and so you wish to see our entire race enslaved by the Amarr, in order to obtain the peace the Minmatar Empire had before the Amarr came and destroyed it. Why haven't I noticed how brilliant, logical, and compassionate you are?

Like I said, dear, I have nothing but pity for you, which is why you can't let this go. Why you can't stop ranting, raving, and trying futilely to condescend towards me.

The only people I call children are the ones who are children, both in age and demeanor. You can ask your "beloved" Ava about that. I have never called her a child, despite her being younger than me. Same for Saede and Streya and quite a few other young Matari.

I've even attempted to show you respect before, or do you not remember me being the only person who spoke calmly and in a friendly manner to you at our standing place? Even offering you an invite into my own home to talk about the difficulties you were going through?

But no, you just throw it back in my face. You don't want respect and understanding from your people. You want hatred and disdain. But as I've said before, all you're getting is pity. So please, keep on ranting and raving about how victimized you are by a people you wish to see enslaved and forced into a religion that is not our own and denied any chance of restoring the peace of the Minmatar Empire.



Also, hon, if you think I blame you for the violence anywhere, you really do have an overly inflated sense of self-importance. You aren't even the cause of the violence between ALXVP and Pyre. You're just a little girl crying and flailing about for attention. I wouldn't be surprised if you cried yourself to sleep when you realized that the wardec wasn't about you.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#199 - 2013-06-15 11:56:18 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:


Like I said, dear, I have nothing but pity for you, which is why you can't let this go. Why you can't stop ranting, raving, and trying futilely to condescend towards me.

...

Also, hon, if you think I blame you for the violence anywhere, you really do have an overly inflated sense of self-importance. You aren't even the cause of the violence between ALXVP and Pyre. You're just a little girl crying and flailing about for attention. I wouldn't be surprised if you cried yourself to sleep when you realized that the wardec wasn't about you.


You're right, I have no choice but to keep this up for it is all I have going for me.

By which I mean I won't be responding further, you've outlived your entertainment value by several dozen posts.

I guess I shouldn't have expected new tricks from an old dog.

Walk under God, Katarina.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#200 - 2013-06-17 20:01:29 UTC
Halete wrote:
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:

Chips we "were using"? Valate's snippet of Saede's conversation is out of context; Saede was discussing the theoretical applications of implants in the area of social engineering. It was an abstract conversation about a topic, rather than a description of anything going on in reality.


That argument works a lot better when you're not declaring war on a Corporation who have a member in their midst who used to belong in your own, who can confirm that exactly the types of control methods being described are being employed by Saede.


Today in the Summit, there was a Conversation in which I asked about the Mind Control Implants.

The Existence of the Mind Control Implants was Denied.

I Stated that Halete had Said the Mind Control Implants existed.

The Response was: Saede Riordan > The Halete is a lying ***** who decided to smear my name through the dirt after she got bored of the (censored).

Now I do not Understand Anything in This Thread.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.