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3 miners or 2 and an Orca?
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Hae Sung
#21 - 2013-06-13 07:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hae Sung
Iri'yana wrote:
I think the math would in general still be in favour of the three miners scenario, as the perfect bonus for the Orca is capped at

2.5% (Mining Forman Laser Optimazation II) * 5 (Mining Director) * 1.5 (Warfare Link Specalist) * 1.15 (Industrial Command Ship) * 1.5 (Mining Foreman Mindlink) = 32.34%

And that's perfect skills plus an expensive mindlink. So you shouldn't really consider an Orca in most cases if you have not at least three miners. Most cases? Well, there's travel time to your reprocessing location and the advantage of the Orca's cargo and ore hold. Complicates the equation a bit and makes a clear answer too complex.

But in general I would think, that you'll be better of with three mining chars compared to two miners and an Orca.



Please note that this is a reduction in cycle time, which equates to more than the stated number in increase in yield.

A 32.34% reduction in cycle time equates to a 1/(1-.3234)% increase in ore yielded due to the faster cycles. On top of this is the 15% straight yield bonus from having a fully skilled and mind-linked boosting character. The actual boost if you mine perfectly without missing cycles is over 60%. (which won't happen in highsec due to tiny asteroids however)

2 x retrievers + orca should yield more than 3 x retrievers once you take out hauling time for the retrievers. It will however be close and down to personal preference or whether or not you want to spend the 1.8b isk or so to fit up a mindlink + orca versus the 50m to buy and fit a retriever.

If the investment into the orca isn't a deal breaker and you have situational awareness then I personally would recommend fitting and flying tanked mackinaws. The extra resists/cpu/pg/mid slots allow a moderate tank. Along with a t2 shield harmonization link + a DCU II/resist modules I end up with 2 mining laser upgrades in the lows and nearly 40k EHP against catalysts. I have several instances where multiple gank ships have just suicided onto my ships without even getting me into more than 1/2 armor. Personal best so far is 6.

Anyways, lots of good advice in the thread so far - and most of the differing methods produce fairly similar results. The Orca will allow you scale your operations upwards from 2 miners as well - and its the clear winner once you start having 3+ miners in the fleet.
Dave Stark
#22 - 2013-06-13 07:40:17 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
The OP asked about retrievers not hulks.

This changes everything.


no it doesn't the orca is a % modifier, therefore it's irrelevant which ship is being used when discussing orca + 2 miners vs 3 miners.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#23 - 2013-06-13 08:36:18 UTC
I'm not sure a shield transfer will help during a gank attempt as a gank is usually over in a matter of seconds. Far better to use the obvious precautionary principles and fit one T2 upgrade plus as much tank as your remaining CPU & PG will allow.

Not picking hairs but the OP did state he was using Retrievers. I suggest he/she looks to upgrade to better ships. Smile

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Elisa Carta
Durance.
#24 - 2013-06-13 11:25:15 UTC
Moon Mare Night wrote:
Arcano Dentist wrote:
And if you knew the answer you would have never commented with something that had nothing to do with the question.

i knew the answer bc i can google and find 20+ threads on the subject, 3 of them with very detailed maths. gj at lazy




So, what is the answer then hmmm?
Dave Stark
#25 - 2013-06-13 12:23:51 UTC
Elisa Carta wrote:
Moon Mare Night wrote:
Arcano Dentist wrote:
And if you knew the answer you would have never commented with something that had nothing to do with the question.

i knew the answer bc i can google and find 20+ threads on the subject, 3 of them with very detailed maths. gj at lazy




So, what is the answer then hmmm?

if you googled it, you'd know.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2013-06-13 14:26:54 UTC
Iri'yana wrote:


But ses, for sanity's sake two miners plus Orca is really nice.



Exactly. The back-and-forth with 3 Exhumers may be a bit more yield, but will be extremely tedious in a really short time.

This game is supposed to be at least somewhat fun

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