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Capsules are dangerous

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#21 - 2013-06-13 10:50:32 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Any answers to why a ship enters warp at 75% of their maximal speed, regardless of what that speed might be?

And everyone loses their minds...

No one remembers, we all blacked out before they discovered those inertia dampers apparently Lol

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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#22 - 2013-06-13 10:50:33 UTC
Opux Dragoon Yacht 4047.10 Shocked
Cockroach 1469.89 Shocked

1 gF is your body weight so a 200 lbs male at 4047 gF is experiencing 809400 lbs turning into pod goo.
ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-06-13 11:17:47 UTC
This is probably the first thread I've ever seen started by Chribba.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-06-13 11:27:20 UTC
Absolutely true that experiencing 240 girlfriends will kill you, one way or another. May not be evil, depending on your point of view.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#25 - 2013-06-13 11:31:21 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Any answers to why a ship enters warp at 75% of their maximal speed, regardless of what that speed might be?


It would probably turn out to be a factor determined by :-

Ship volume (Length x breadth x height etc), in cubic meters I suppose.
Ship mass (in kilograms)
Relative acceleration (thrust in meters per second, per second) (I will stick to Newtons here, seeing as the rest is in metric)
Please don't ask me to divulge the formula, it's a seekrit!! P

All of the above factors come out to a magical 75% of velocity before being able to enter Warp.
Think of the magic 75% factor as something like Pi.

My 2c worth Big smile



Xer Jin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-06-13 11:35:30 UTC
because of aliens ;)
Lucretia DeWinter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-06-13 11:40:48 UTC
John Stapp withstood 45g

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stapp#Stapp.27s_law

And that's with just some straps and gaffa tape.

I would think 20,000 years into the future, they would have all kinds of shock-gell and gill-fluid applications that we reduce to simply 'pod goo'
Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
#28 - 2013-06-13 11:42:48 UTC
Was it not so that we CAPSULEERS are INSIDE our pods the whole time when flying a ship? Mainly because of g-forces, better controlling the ship and the thing when we are about to die?

I read it in several pieces of lore (aka the books of EVE tm).

If it is so then the liquid inside the capsule (and our lungs) will mainly protect us from the g-forces alone.

Also: inertia stabs (like that blue badged fellow wrote).
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#29 - 2013-06-13 11:44:01 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Ships accelerate to pre-warp speed with those accelerations and only then the physics change as warp is initiated.


In that case, same thing that allows people to walk on the floor in a null-G environment, aka "artificial gravity" and inertial dampeners. These are the basic assumptions of most science fiction/fantasy universes including Traveller. I'll have to go and re-read the Lensman series to remember how they addressed the issue (but their ships moved by nullifying inertia).
Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#30 - 2013-06-13 11:45:57 UTC
Just imagine the face of the crewmen when they see that the pilot is fitting nanos...

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space submarine
#31 - 2013-06-13 11:48:09 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Inertial Dampers, mate. Blink



Could you explain why ships decelerate when their engine turn off now CCP guy.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-06-13 11:51:40 UTC
space submarine wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Inertial Dampers, mate. Blink



Could you explain why ships decelerate when their engine turn off now CCP guy.


Something something the warp drive causes friction in a vacuum something something

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Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-06-13 12:01:10 UTC
Andski wrote:
space submarine wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Inertial Dampers, mate. Blink



Could you explain why ships decelerate when their engine turn off now CCP guy.


Something something the warp drive causes friction in a vacuum something something


Yep. Been explained many times. It is their story and they are sticking to it.
Solaris Ecladia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-06-13 12:42:49 UTC
inertial dampners might not be the best wording for whatever module you want for reducing g force in space. works for star trek doesnt work in the real world. the words you are looking for are g-force comepensators. been toyed with slightly before by adverse forces to reduce the amount of g's you feel when accelerating in space but id say we are a long way off since not a lot has been done in this field apparently.

also my shift key died.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#35 - 2013-06-13 12:58:14 UTC
Solaris Ecladia wrote:
inertial dampners might not be the best wording for whatever module you want for reducing g force in space. works for star trek doesnt work in the real world. the words you are looking for are g-force comepensators. been toyed with slightly before by adverse forces to reduce the amount of g's you feel when accelerating in space but id say we are a long way off since not a lot has been done in this field apparently.

also my shift key died.


Not to be picky, but Inertia is mass in motion, which creates the g-forces. That motion of mass results in Inertia, which is the component which needs to be nullified. Yes, it's a g-force compensator, that's just a different name for Inertia dampener.
However, if you want to split hairs and get technical, there's plenty of dope about motion compensators. Quick link here, but many others too.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#36 - 2013-06-13 12:59:26 UTC
Chribba wrote:

We can from the chart see that an unskilled, unfitted titan pilot (and it's crew - NEVER FORGET THE CREW lol) will not have a hard time ..., takes nearly 2 minutes and only be affected by 0.04girlFriend, think we will survive that one pretty good.



4% chance of having a girlfriend if you're a titan pilot?

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Xavier Zedicus
Eidolon Reticulum
#37 - 2013-06-13 13:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Xavier Zedicus
Assuming that ships have artificial gravity, you can just say part of the cap used to warp goes to offset the gforces.

Also while entering warp, you are not in a gravity less situation. Eve FTL is achieved by depleting the space around the ship of quantum partials, and compressing it, segregating your ship from the rest uf space in a quantum vaccuum (as apposed to just a partical vacuum). You are being sucked into this bubble, the this bubble is what accelerates.

This bubble effect is also why when you squad warp with slower ships, you match their speed. The vacuumes envelop eachother, but the rate of compression is limited by the slower ship.

space submarine wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Inertial Dampers, mate. Blink



Could you explain why ships decelerate when their engine turn off now CCP guy.


The technology that anchors you to the quantum vacuum bubble while in warp also has a constant effect. Since quantum partials are present, it's not as pronounced, but it still causes what we would perceive as "friction"

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-06-13 13:30:30 UTC
Tyrton wrote:
Opux Dragoon Yacht 4047.10 Shocked
Cockroach 1469.89 Shocked

1 gF is your body weight so a 200 lbs male at 4047 gF is experiencing 809400 lbs turning into pod goo.


OMFG - pod goo is PEOPLE!!!

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#39 - 2013-06-13 13:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Although I am no physics major or anything, I am pretty sure there would be no g-force in a spaceships. Without an atmosphere or gravity holding us to a nearby object there is no g-force.

"G-force (with g from gravitational) is a measurement of acceleration felt as weight."

If your on a ship generating false gravity for practical purposes you wouldn't feel anything either because your weight is determined relative only to the ships interior environment so anything going on outside is irrelevant.

So, in short, no Gs. Sorry to spoil the fun.

(Also, there is a lot of terrible terrible physics in this thread).

Edit: Not sure that was clear enough. We only experience G-Force on earth because gravity dictates that our weight holds us to a certain spot. Moving fast enough creates the phenomenon where your body is being pulled from that spot forcefully. Without the gravity there and a relative surface to be pulled away from, you don't have a problem. This might still be a problem for no artificial gravity ships accelerating fast away from high mass planets whilst in very very low orbit.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#40 - 2013-06-13 14:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Chribba
Arduemont, from texts I read while doing all this, it said you will still be affected by "force" whilst in a spaceship.

So if you are stationary floating free in the ship, and it accelerates you will find yourself moving towards the back of the ship (away from the direction it is going) you will then be pressed against the wall feeling "force" while not really force created by gravity you will still feel this - and thus I call it gF.

Could have totally read it wrong though.

/c

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