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How good is EVE for PvE focused solo play?
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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-06-12 18:14:23 UTC
Covert0ne wrote:
I would say you are able to enjoy the PvE content solo, however surrounded by even a few people will make it all the better. Rather than decide right now you want to play solo, explore the game and meet some people then make the decision!


I will admit that I haven't seen much of the game, the longest jorney I've done is about 10 jumps and that was because of a traffic jam at the final gate leading to the system I wanted (I will admit that for some reason got a chuckle from me) so yeah I haven't seen much of the game world and yes I have not left high sec space.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-06-12 18:51:58 UTC
PvE in EVE isn't that great. Solo PvE is even worse, as it's very repetitive and predictable.

PvP in EVE is pretty amazing. Solo PvP is incredibly challenging, very absorbing, and often very punishing. If you play EVE and have never given the PvP side of it a fair shot (and I don't mean trying it once and bailing) then you're missing out.

That said, solo PvE can be incredibly profitable. But why do you need all that space cash if you're not going to use it to explode other people?

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Marmaduke Hatplate
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-06-12 18:56:27 UTC
I'm a noob, 48 hours of play so far, and I also like to solo PvE, or duo with a friend who's started with me.

I note that apparently there's not a lot of Lore or narrative to Eve. The Sisters of Eve 'epic' mission line has been suggested. My friend and I have just finished the tutorials and career path missions, we'lre going to do the SoE quests next. Are there any more of these types of questline? How exactly does this 'random' mission system work?

I'm enjoying the mining, oddly enough, as it's basically just doing nothing while my drones do all the work lol, but I like to have some narrative with my MMOs.

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-06-12 19:36:44 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
I'm a noob, 48 hours of play so far, and I also like to solo PvE, or duo with a friend who's started with me.

I note that apparently there's not a lot of Lore or narrative to Eve. The Sisters of Eve 'epic' mission line has been suggested. My friend and I have just finished the tutorials and career path missions, we'lre going to do the SoE quests next. Are there any more of these types of questline? How exactly does this 'random' mission system work?

I'm enjoying the mining, oddly enough, as it's basically just doing nothing while my drones do all the work lol, but I like to have some narrative with my MMOs.


I do believe that there are more epic quest lines but these for more experienced (and skilled) players. I've yet to try it, am mainly doing some local security missions. Though there are appears to be only 5 or so in total.

the mission system seem to creat a mission from a list of about 2000 or so depending on mission area. Its an ok system but I can see how it may drag in the long run .

While there is a lot of lore to EVE it mainly kept to out of game stories and the occasional ingame event. While it does mean you can't get a feel of the universe it is also I find rather immersive. You don't see every shop keeper randomly spouting off everything about the local politics or events in real life do you?

But I will admit a bit more lore in the tutorial/career missions wouldn't go a miss.
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#25 - 2013-06-12 20:35:10 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

So I'm trying out EVE on trail, I'm enjoying it but I want to know some thing first.

While I know that this game is mainly PvP/player interaction focused I prefere PvE solo focused gameplay. So I have to ask? How good is this game for playing this style.

Also I'm interested in exploration which seems to be a good solo focused area.


It's possible, but:

1.) Keep in mind that you are in an MMO, so players can force interaction on to you (usually in the form of PvP, there is no PvP-free zone)
2.) Because of how EVE is made, PvE is very limited and can become quite boring.
3.) Even when part of a group/corp, you can still do solo stuff.



I don't mind PvP but I'm not one to concentrate on it.

Though I will admit that I don't really want to actually join groups or corps yes I know it the only real way to access high level content but I just don't feel like I want that kind of commitment (espeically given how EVE corparate system works)



I was much like you when I started and turned down a number of Corp invites. I then chanced upon a small corp mining and they convoed me. I liked what they had to say so I started with them on a limited basis. Now I'm a director of the corp and running it since the CEO is deployed.

I still do lots by myself in game, but it the most fun when I'm doing stuff with my corpmates.

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-06-12 20:42:16 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
I note that apparently there's not a lot of Lore or narrative to Eve.
Actually, EVE has as much, if not more lore than other MMOs.

The difference is that lore in EVE is mostly "you had to be there." In other games, quests and persistent mobs will allow you to experience the lore at your own pace. While in EVE, you have a truly persistent world and lore is lived out live. E.g. the Battle for Caldari Prime was a major event, open for every one to participate in, but you had to be there on March 22nd. If you weren't there, you can only read about it, watch the videos and visit the ruins afterwards.

Also, a good part of the lore in EVE is player-written. The current war in Fountain is part of the official lore, even though it's entirely player driven. There are even in-game memorials for major events that came from player interaction. E.g. for "Steve," the first Titan to be destroyed.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-06-12 21:06:10 UTC
Yes you can play solo in this game, I solo pve all the time..it's how I play.

Thats not to say I don't interact with others, I do..but only for chat etc.

So don't let anyone in here try to force you down another path, if thats what you want, go for it.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-06-12 21:36:58 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
I note that apparently there's not a lot of Lore or narrative to Eve.
Actually, EVE has as much, if not more lore than other MMOs.

The difference is that lore in EVE is mostly "you had to be there." In other games, quests and persistent mobs will allow you to experience the lore at your own pace. While in EVE, you have a truly persistent world and lore is lived out live. E.g. the Battle for Caldari Prime was a major event, open for every one to participate in, but you had to be there on March 22nd. If you weren't there, you can only read about it, watch the videos and visit the ruins afterwards.

Also, a good part of the lore in EVE is player-written. The current war in Fountain is part of the official lore, even though it's entirely player driven. There are even in-game memorials for major events that came from player interaction. E.g. for "Steve," the first Titan to be destroyed.



http://kotaku.com/5943483/here-is-eves-in+world-tribute-to-its-slain-diplomat

Recent "lore."

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-06-12 22:01:11 UTC
why would you play a Massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg if you wanted to do solo pve content -_-?

Art of Explosions
Marmaduke Hatplate
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-13 04:39:57 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
why would you play a Massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg if you wanted to do solo pve content -_-?


I was wondering when this refrain would arrive lol.

Think about this: I live in a capital city. Sometimes I go to a bar on my way home from work, and I sit and have a beer in the sun and read the paper. I don't feel the need to shout "Hey everyone, look at my paper, let's all talk about the news together!", but I don't want a bar that's completely empty.
Sometimes I go shopping to a supermarket on my own while my gf is at work. I don't call my friends up first so that we can all roam around Tescos in a 10-man group together, and I don't ask strangers if they want to a company me and chat about stuff while we shop, but me alone in the place would seem deeply wierd.
Sometimes I go for a cycle around a local park. Knowing other people are strolling or cycling or having a picnic there is nice, but I'd rather leave my earbuds in than join a convoy.
Sometimes I go to the cinema on my own to see a movie. Other people eat crispsoudly, so solo pls.
There are 4 million people on my city's 'server'. I interact witha tiny minority of them, but they still need to be there.

The other players in an MMO are part of what gives an MMO its unique atmosphere. Eve is no exception. Seeing Rookie chat scroll away adds to the i pression of living in a vast teeming universe. I don't need to interact woth them, I just need tk know they're there.

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy
Marmaduke Hatplate
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-06-13 04:41:42 UTC
Also, as was pointed out very well upthread, due to Eve's economy, i do interact with other players even when I'm soloing. Someone's gotta buy my veldspar

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy
Harrimon Hoxx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-06-13 06:19:24 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
why would you play a Massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg if you wanted to do solo pve content -_-?


I was wondering when this refrain would arrive lol.

Think about this: I live in a capital city. Sometimes I go to a bar on my way home from work, and I sit and have a beer in the sun and read the paper. I don't feel the need to shout "Hey everyone, look at my paper, let's all talk about the news together!", but I don't want a bar that's completely empty.
Sometimes I go shopping to a supermarket on my own while my gf is at work. I don't call my friends up first so that we can all roam around Tescos in a 10-man group together, and I don't ask strangers if they want to a company me and chat about stuff while we shop, but me alone in the place would seem deeply wierd.
Sometimes I go for a cycle around a local park. Knowing other people are strolling or cycling or having a picnic there is nice, but I'd rather leave my earbuds in than join a convoy.
Sometimes I go to the cinema on my own to see a movie. Other people eat crispsoudly, so solo pls.
There are 4 million people on my city's 'server'. I interact witha tiny minority of them, but they still need to be there.

The other players in an MMO are part of what gives an MMO its unique atmosphere. Eve is no exception. Seeing Rookie chat scroll away adds to the i pression of living in a vast teeming universe. I don't need to interact woth them, I just need tk know they're there.




Epic!

You sir, are my twin and I've resubbed just to applaud your bar/supermarket/park/cinema analogies. After a couple of years absent I may even get back into space.

Eve's my dirty little secret....I feel like I'm cheating on my life.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-06-13 06:42:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
why would you play a Massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg if you wanted to do solo pve content -_-?


I was wondering when this refrain would arrive lol.

Think about this: I live in a capital city. Sometimes I go to a bar on my way home from work, and I sit and have a beer in the sun and read the paper. I don't feel the need to shout "Hey everyone, look at my paper, let's all talk about the news together!", but I don't want a bar that's completely empty.
Sometimes I go shopping to a supermarket on my own while my gf is at work. I don't call my friends up first so that we can all roam around Tescos in a 10-man group together, and I don't ask strangers if they want to a company me and chat about stuff while we shop, but me alone in the place would seem deeply wierd.
Sometimes I go for a cycle around a local park. Knowing other people are strolling or cycling or having a picnic there is nice, but I'd rather leave my earbuds in than join a convoy.
Sometimes I go to the cinema on my own to see a movie. Other people eat crispsoudly, so solo pls.
There are 4 million people on my city's 'server'. I interact witha tiny minority of them, but they still need to be there.

The other players in an MMO are part of what gives an MMO its unique atmosphere. Eve is no exception. Seeing Rookie chat scroll away adds to the i pression of living in a vast teeming universe. I don't need to interact woth them, I just need tk know they're there.



That's a terrible analogy

firstly eve is a game, you are given the specifics before you started playing: you WILL be subject to interaction with people and the game is designed on the assumption that people will play together. Sure there is pve content that is doable solo but that's not the main idea behind it.

Real life is real life, don't try and use it in the context of a game. If I want solo focused PVE content in an rpg I would load up a final fantasy game.

You live in this city of 4million people and interact with only a minority of them: the rest could be robots and you wouldn't know any better or care. You don't play a mmo to do solo PVE content. For some reason or another you will end up doing something with a real human being at some point so if the OP wanted a game with well-developed solo pve content he has come to the wrong place.

You can make solo pve interesting in EVE but that's entirely up to you and not CCP's concern.

Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Also, as was pointed out very well upthread, due to Eve's economy, i do interact with other players even when I'm soloing. Someone's gotta buy my veldspar


If I replaced your buyers with some simple algorithms and disconnected you from the game you probably wouldn't even notice.

Art of Explosions
Harrimon Hoxx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-13 12:47:58 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


That's a terrible analogy



Isn't he saying the other players - the MMO bit - gives him a flavour and add to the atmosphere. Sure, interaction will find him but he doesn't have to seek it out.

Other players in an MMO can be viewed as being dynamic NPCs: if they come looking for you then you need to react but there's nothing stopping you from not initiating interaction if you don't want to do so. You can still be a vital part of the Eve economy and ecosystem as a solo PVE orientated player.

Eve is a game very much without rules and is different to other MMO's...playing solo in an MMO surely fits in with that ethos?

Eve's my dirty little secret....I feel like I'm cheating on my life.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#35 - 2013-06-13 13:30:36 UTC
Great analogy but you would have to add ax murders running around the bar, everyone around you in the movie blasting beer farts, someone outside the supermarket with a bullhorn offering to double groceries if you send him what you have in your cart right now and little bastard children throwing sticks in front of your bike at the park.
Jev Zhuco
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-06-13 13:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jev Zhuco
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
why would you play a Massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg if you wanted to do solo pve content -_-?


I can approach this one, as well. Gathering resources, selling them, watching my numbers go up is kind of fun. Many of my favorite single player RPGS are less story focused, and more sandbox and game mechanic focused. I like the idea of being able to fly around a giant universe just doing stuff to make my numbers go up.

But it's so much more fun when I have to be "on" the entire time because that random encounter isn't with some pre-screened level-appropriate AI-controlled monster. It's with someone who can, and will, kill me. I have to be smart. I have to be fast. I have to be prepared. I may play as if I'm here for the PvE, and if I couldn't ever get anything done because I was constantly being attackded, it wouldn't be fun (see also: single player RPGs with excessive random encounters). But that occasional moment, that life-or-death moment between the time I notice the threat to the time my ship finally reaches warp and I'm wondering if my tank is going to hold out that long... I live for that moment.

Also, the option of blowing someone away just because they annoy me is awesome. Most games you just have to put up with those people.

So I guess I am here for the PvP. I'm just not here for "good fights." I'm here to see just how finely I can skate the line between risk and reward.
Harrimon Hoxx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-06-13 16:44:16 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Great analogy but you would have to add ax murders running around the bar, everyone around you in the movie blasting beer farts, someone outside the supermarket with a bullhorn offering to double groceries if you send him what you have in your cart right now and little bastard children throwing sticks in front of your bike at the park.


Depends where you live in RL Blink, it may happen.

Eve's my dirty little secret....I feel like I'm cheating on my life.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-06-13 18:00:55 UTC
Jev Zhuco wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
why would you play a Massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg if you wanted to do solo pve content -_-?


I can approach this one, as well. Gathering resources, selling them, watching my numbers go up is kind of fun. Many of my favorite single player RPGS are less story focused, and more sandbox and game mechanic focused. I like the idea of being able to fly around a giant universe just doing stuff to make my numbers go up.

But it's so much more fun when I have to be "on" the entire time because that random encounter isn't with some pre-screened level-appropriate AI-controlled monster. It's with someone who can, and will, kill me. I have to be smart. I have to be fast. I have to be prepared. I may play as if I'm here for the PvE, and if I couldn't ever get anything done because I was constantly being attackded, it wouldn't be fun (see also: single player RPGs with excessive random encounters). But that occasional moment, that life-or-death moment between the time I notice the threat to the time my ship finally reaches warp and I'm wondering if my tank is going to hold out that long... I live for that moment.

Also, the option of blowing someone away just because they annoy me is awesome. Most games you just have to put up with those people.

So I guess I am here for the PvP. I'm just not here for "good fights." I'm here to see just how finely I can skate the line between risk and reward.


So in conclusion: you are here to interact with other human beings and not AI. Good for you.

Making your numbers go up is a perfectly valid goal, but only because there are other PEOPLE to compare it to.

Art of Explosions
Toshiro Hasegawa
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2013-06-13 18:26:53 UTC
You can totaly play EvE solo PVE.

It is not like most / all other MMO though, as stated by a lot of other people. There is no bread crumb trail to follow from level based region to region until end game. Its sandbox .. so its what YOU make of it. If you can continue to find enjoyment comming up with your own goals and trying to achieve them - you can continue to play for ages. Especially if you mix things up and do missions, and mine, and trade, and research - plugging away at little goals here and there.

But you can not expect to have your hand held - through your time in game - you are in charge not the devs.

As for playing with people or not .. i would 100% say play with people .. ive played the game with people and by myself and with various corps over the last 10 years and it has almost always been more fun to play with other people.

I am not 100% sure what your hesitation would be - but i know for a fact there is a corp (more likely 1000) for every play style.

There are PVE only corps, that stay in highsec and dont have any requirements for activity - that provide mutuual support, help and fun conversation while playing .. that dont care what you are doing, where you are doing it, or why. I do not see why one would shy away from a corp like that. Especially important for new players - to help learn the game.

I have spent time in some serious corps and some lax ones .. both have their pros and cons .. but as it is an MMO .. its really designed for groups to work together... it is easier to group up to mine, even if each person is mining for their own stash, the mutual support to keep rats off, and the banter that ensues on TS / or in fleet chat makes for a better experience.

But you pay to play so you are gona have to decide whats fun and whats not .. and if other humans are going to make you not want to log in .. then so be it .. run around space on yoru own (although you may want to invest in some other accounts to specialise in things like rating or mining or trading or manufacturing - usually hard for one toon to excel in all fields of play.)

History is the study of change.

Untanas Volmyr
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-06-13 18:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Untanas Volmyr
I do lots of solo play. Its a good way to learn how to support yourself without asking for hand outs all the time. Which makes you more of an effective player. Once you feel overly confident you can roll the dice some more. There's a ton of coordination involved in effective pvp. Which is exhillerating your first time out in a massive fleet.

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