Ships & Modules

So assuming you are mostly shooting at BSs with all your support skills at 5 and you are riding a ship without any bonus to explosion speed or radius. Moreover lets assume you can fit one TP and one or two rigs to help you.

Will you benefit more from Rigor or from Flares? Remember this is against BS rats, not smaller.

Would the answer be different depending on whether you shoot furies or CN missiles?

Thank you.

I thought the same but was surprised negatively. With one painter on CN do more damage than Furies to the rogue drone BS at painter falloff with the Furies only gaining the upper hand at painter optimal. Still both seem to get considerable reduction in dps when the drone BSs use their afterburners.

I guess mine is a more unique issue than that faced by people doing lvl4s and sanctums etc so I ll just have to playtest extensively and let you know...

Using 3 T1 riggors with cruise on several of my BS cruise ships works like a charm, on top added 1 TP and even elite frigs pop like popcorn.

If you guys are less lazy then I am just put 2 T2 riggors and 1 Flare, add 1 Tp PWNAGE FTW. Cruise missiles became really interesting now, finally.

Still running 3xRigors and pwning some *******.

I'm revisiting my RR rattlesnake setup right now, actually. after a couple balcons I don't give additional consideration to cruises. they've got a huge deficiency in terms of smaller targets... it's not something I would spend a rig on, but instead find other ways to fill the "small target" hole. the CPU penalty for launcher rigs is too steep, esp the utility you lose in your mids. even with just four launchers. ...in the case of a rattlesnake.

on this ship, the DPS from cruises is under 400 with two balcons, which is too low to worry about, imo. The rattlesnake has other options for range, and I prefer sentries--instant and free, out to 84km. as a single ship, you can drop the energy transfer for another drone link augmentor and get your sentries to reach out to 108km.

just another take on cruises. it doesn't have to be the only source of DPS. nor do you need to be a lone ship. I can't think of a module such as remote sebos, energy/shield transfers, and projected ECCM which aren't more effective than the local variety.

if you're wondering why just a large booster/"where's the rep"... my drone loadout is usually T2 Sentries, T1 Medium shield bots, T2 Mediums, and a small army of T1 welp lights. with 3x rattlesnakes on grid and two of them repping 1, 10 bonused medium shield bots rep 300hp every 5 seconds. applied to mission tanked Rattlesnakes, that's a lot.

also skills. <-iirc I injected Advanced Drone Interfacing w/o knowing what it was. it just sounded important.

PS I love my slowkittehs they're usually set up like this check out the optimal for wardens. I show the shield transfer applied to the ship, but it's usually for the one sentry being targeted by the NPCs. I also have orca support to switch out offensive/defensive damage types before missions, and the ammo is free. the orca has used siege links in the past, but it's been a while since I've bothered. usually has a tractor and salvage in highs (which, bonused, reach to 84km)

for kicks I do things like send T1 lights 100km out to do my bidding so my playstyle as a mission runner is... different.

ANYWAY

//holy **** I just finished comparing cruises with torps on the rattlesnake--when did cruises become so ******* competitive.

With Odyssey. CCP wants cruise missiles to be useful in PvP so they buffed the hell out of them. (~30% DPS increase and a speed increase, offset with a minor penalty to sig radius and range.) Which has had the side effect of obsoleting torps in most PvE scenarios. Which is no one is taking Torp Golems seriously anymore.

They are a fair bit faster as well though. And after a happy afternoon of EFTing, I'd say that they're extremely competitive with "insta", since they're doing 1400mm class alpha with Tachyon-class DPS with "optimal" out to 110km on unbonused ships and no worries about tracking.

Seriously, Cruise are not only "competing" but they're definitely the most powerful LR BS weapon in every aspect except instant damage.

WTS EFT damage chart guide.

Instant dmg application is more of an issue for "small" fleet fights, not one at all at large fleet fight scale, a 109km point on primary stays a 109 km point on primary may you use cruise missiles or arty, and these kind of fights actually occurs mostly in between 70 or not at all because everyone is ready to warp off if a decent and competent FC thinks the range engagement is not on the "window" he wants.
He will tell by range order to blap reccons/dictors and warp out to get another warp in point at the distance he wants for his fleet to have better chances of succeed, if he doesn't do this you're with a terrible FC and you will die no matter what he does.

Perhaps you're not aware but there are these ships that can tackle at quite long ranges.