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Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#21 - 2013-06-12 21:11:51 UTC
James315 is busy in front of his mirror. He loves himself too much to get away from seeing his own reflection!!P
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-06-12 21:30:15 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:

What you are saying is that if I were to wardec someone and they fled to a rookie system, I may not engage them in any way because they might be new to the game. In which case, you're wrong, you're bad, should feel bad, and should go back to Hello Kitty or World of Warcraft. Pick one.

Actually, Im pretty sure you should go back to either of those games you mentioned, Im sure your IQ fits better there.
The wiki says youre not allowed to canbait, or bait them in any other way, true, but does it say that you may suicide gank them? No.
Has a GM ALSO stated that you cant mess with them whatsoever in these systems? Yes. I win you lose. Unless youre just incredibly thick and dont understand the basic english language, go back to school.
War deccing is something different entirely, not only does it warn whoever youre deccing of it in advance, but they can also leave the corporation and avoid it completely. Still, I would almost bet that if you go and focus on a newbie in a corp youve wardecced and you get petiitoned, a GM will pay you a visit. Im almost sure.

gas guzzler wrote:

Your link doesnt change the fact that rookies dont fly exhumers. HTH

Says who?


The funniest thing is that all of you hardc0r3 pvprz are all so butthurt that I can prove you cant touch the "rookies" in these very few systems, why are yall so bad you cant just find people in litterally thousands of other systems? We're talking about what.. 16 systems total you have to stay out of? C'mon, sperglords.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-06-12 22:09:00 UTC
It's funny, because if you're "proving" it then why is it the vast majority of posters in herehave provided evidence to the contrary, or otherwise agree that you are an idiot?

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-06-12 23:08:16 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
It's funny, because if you're "proving" it then why is it the vast majority of posters in herehave provided evidence to the contrary, or otherwise agree that you are an idiot?

Obviously, because the forums are mostly full of morons.

I linked you to a post saying YOU CANNOT MESS WITH ROOKIES IN ROOKIE SYSTEMS, end of discussion.
Theres no arguments to be made, the GMs have spoken, you simply cannot do this or you risk a ban.

And YOU are not the ones to decide whos a rookie or not either, but somehow, and this is quite funny, YOU think you make these rules, just because youre playing EVE. But guess what, you dont decide ****! But really, go ahead, suicide a bunch of people in any of the rookie systems, I will personally laugh at you when you come whining to the forums that your account was banned for "griefing" in rookie systems.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-06-13 00:45:28 UTC
Here

Last update: 26 June 2012, which reads (at the very bottom!):

Quote:
Warning: Attempting to trick new players in to situations where you can fire on them freely, such as can flipping them, in these systems is prohibited.


Meaning that "risk-free" PvP against new players is prohibited. Once again, basic reading comprehension. I know it's hard, and your ego is probably very sore because you're wrong (this, by the way, came after the thing you like to quote), but you don't have to apologize or admit you're wrong.

The facts are clear.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-06-13 00:54:56 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Here

Last update: 26 June 2012, which reads (at the very bottom!):

Quote:
Warning: Attempting to trick new players in to situations where you can fire on them freely, such as can flipping them, in these systems is prohibited.


Meaning that "risk-free" PvP against new players is prohibited. Once again, basic reading comprehension. I know it's hard, and your ego is probably very sore because you're wrong (this, by the way, came after the thing you like to quote), but you don't have to apologize or admit you're wrong.

The facts are clear.


The facts are indeed clear, and what the wiki site says is true.

What you fail to realize, is that there are more rules, than those stated in the wiki. Moron.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-06-13 02:05:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Anya Klibor
We get it. You want a spot where you can feel 100% safe in this game. We completely understand that, as players. They already created it, though: it's called staying in station! What a novel concept!

The Wiki has been updated since that quote you keep posting. I get that you think that is the be-all-end-all because in a very wide view, that supports your argument. However, when taken in context with what another GM has stated at a later date, it remains obvious to those of us not afraid to lose ships that the intent is to protect newer players from the canbaiters. If your argument was correct, then there would be absolutely no way/ to aggress the players in those systems. However, because you can and CONCORD is still there.

From here:

Quote:
In general, "griefing" is a term that means action against another player that makes the target feel like being targeted on purpose or for the sake of harassment only.

In EVE, "griefing" refers to various activities, some of which can be argued not to be "griefing" in the classic sense, but parts of valid gameplay.

There are certain forms of griefing that can get you banned from the game. These include (but probably are not limited to) can baiting in rookie systems and certain forms of verbal harassment.


Please note: the phrase "not limited to" does not support your claim, but only that there are other forms of "griefing" outside of the given examples; you'll also note that it says "canbaiting", not "engaging".

In fact, a GM affirms my stance, stating that attempting to freely engage rookie players without risk to yourself is strictly prohibited, which means that dueling rookies in rookie systems is a bannable offense.

Confirmed by an ISD in the Help channel:

"Suspect baiting in rookie systems is borderline, and it may be a case-by-case basis. Suicide ganking in the rookie systems is acceptable because CONCORD intervenes, so it is not "risk-free" like canbaiting and dueling are."

EDIT:

After checking EvEMon for a basic idea of what the timeframe to get into an Exhumer would be, it is roughly 40 days assuming no implants but a full remap to the skills needed. It is roughly 45 with no remap. After a mont (I'll give you 35 days, since that's what the neural enhancer thingie gives you up until) you are no longer considered a "newbie" except in the broader sense.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
exxon halliburton
i'm from the government and i'm here to help
#28 - 2013-06-13 02:35:00 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:


EDIT:

After checking EvEMon for a basic idea of what the timeframe to get into an Exhumer would be, it is roughly 40 days assuming no implants but a full remap to the skills needed. It is roughly 45 with no remap. After a mont (I'll give you 35 days, since that's what the neural enhancer thingie gives you up until) you are no longer considered a "newbie" except in the broader sense.



This is where the discussion should have stopped a long time ago. I think the forum clone guy might just be trolling you
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-06-13 03:32:17 UTC
exxon halliburton wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:


EDIT:

After checking EvEMon for a basic idea of what the timeframe to get into an Exhumer would be, it is roughly 40 days assuming no implants but a full remap to the skills needed. It is roughly 45 with no remap. After a mont (I'll give you 35 days, since that's what the neural enhancer thingie gives you up until) you are no longer considered a "newbie" except in the broader sense.



This is where the discussion should have stopped a long time ago. I think the forum clone guy might just be trolling you


Very possible, but at the same time I know this thread will pop up on Google, and I want newer players to understand the limits, not let some thirteen-year-old give out false information.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Vayeate Marquise
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-06-13 03:39:31 UTC
thank god, how else would anyone play eve without your constant badposting QQ

Problem? ~.~
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#31 - 2013-06-13 05:01:05 UTC
Will somebody just ******* gank them already???

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-06-13 05:01:43 UTC
Vayeate Marquise wrote:
thank god, how else would anyone play eve without your constant badposting QQ


I'd almost accuse you of being one of his alts. But then I realize your badposting is...well, bad.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#33 - 2013-06-13 05:05:25 UTC
RonPaul Rox wrote:
hey i found a bunch of obvious botters in a 0.9 starter system. When i was a noob i had nothing to mine in my starter system b/c of botters so i have a special place in my heart for these degenerates.

Since it's a 0.9 we'll probably hafta alpha them with arty destroyers. I WILL PAY FOR EVERYTHING, you just supply the pilots.

Message me ingame, if it's not James315 himself I will assume you are scamming so dont bother trying.

I will post the killmails in this thread afterwards :)

TYIA



Not sure if I take offense to this or not... Had someone offer me 25m to travel 30 jumps and gank a hulk in a .7.. not really worth my time to be honest.

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#34 - 2013-06-13 06:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Q 5
gas guzzler wrote:
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
My quote is posted on this very forum by the GM, you guys are idiots. But go ahead, go gank people in rookie systems, your stubbornness will prove to be very funny (to me).

Here, Ill even link it for you




Your link doesnt change the fact that rookies dont fly exhumers. HTH


See here's a question only a GM can answer, when is a rookie a rookie?

Rookies can and in fact fly exhumers, but rookie in the sense of the amount of time played.

Player X invites a friend to play eve,

Player Y loves it.

Player X sells player Y his alt that's skilled up.

For some reason player Y stays in rookie system to "get use" to using new toons and ships.

Da Da Daaaaa....

Player Z assumes player Y is not a rookie and baits them.

Boom.

Now, is player Z to be banned?

He blew up a rookie in the fact that the player was 20 days new to eve even though player Y was flying an exhumer?

Is this scenario likely...not likely but possible.

Bottom line, if I was a GM I would fall back on don't F around in a rookie system as you were warned, ban in place sir, just leave the rookie system alone and you won't have to wonder.
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-06-13 10:08:55 UTC
Q 5 wrote:
gas guzzler wrote:
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
My quote is posted on this very forum by the GM, you guys are idiots. But go ahead, go gank people in rookie systems, your stubbornness will prove to be very funny (to me).

Here, Ill even link it for you




Your link doesnt change the fact that rookies dont fly exhumers. HTH


See here's a question only a GM can answer, when is a rookie a rookie?

Rookies can and in fact fly exhumers, but rookie in the sense of the amount of time played.

Player X invites a friend to play eve,

Player Y loves it.

Player X sells player Y his alt that's skilled up.

For some reason player Y stays in rookie system to "get use" to using new toons and ships.

Da Da Daaaaa....

Player Z assumes player Y is not a rookie and baits them.

Boom.

Now, is player Z to be banned?

He blew up a rookie in the fact that the player was 20 days new to eve even though player Y was flying an exhumer?

Is this scenario likely...not likely but possible.

Bottom line, if I was a GM I would fall back on don't F around in a rookie system as you were warned, ban in place sir, just leave the rookie system alone and you won't have to wonder.

Pretty much all of this, you dont get to mess with rookies in rookie systems, in any way.
And since YOU dont decide whos a rookie or not, anything "bad" you do to any player in such a system, might get you banned.
But as Ive said, go ahead and gank everyone in those systems, Ill laugh at you when youre banned.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-06-13 10:57:25 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
You are only prevented from baiting rookies in new systems. Going GCC is not prevented or bannable.

Who decides when someone is a rookie? Do you? Are you the official "Rookie title manager" ?


GM's have already stated in the relevant post regarding rookie systems that someone in an Exhumer is obviously not protected by the rule.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-06-13 11:11:55 UTC
Some relevant GM quotes from that post.

GM Homonoia wrote:
Yes, you can still PvP there. You cannot mess with the rookies there, what you do to other people is your own business.

1. New PLAYERS are protected by CCP in the systems listed here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems
2. No one is protected in systems outside of this list.
3. None but new PLAYERS are protected by CCP in any way.
4. If new PLAYERS keep getting harassed the list of systems may be expanded.
5. Players cannot see which characters are new PLAYERS and which are old players with new CHARACTERS; game masters CAN see this and we act accordingly.
6. It is impossible to define what a new PLAYER is in a way that is comprehensible, to the point and without loop holes, in addition to our players able to apply these rules to their fellow players around them. This means that we will not provide a hard definition to our player base, however game masters internally can apply these rules consistently and without bias.
7. In general do NOT mess around with new PLAYERS; anyone else is fair game.


Dear lord... Hulks are advanced T2 ships. I am not going to dignify this with a real answer.


So the gist of this is leave new characters alone, old characters are fair game.

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