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Scanning is now useless THANKS CCP
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Aracno't
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-06-13 04:15:36 UTC
this new scanning patch has stuff all us seriously scanner over
first strike is our scan strength has dropped making it harder for us to find stuff
second strike now that its so easy to scan everyone is out there scanning and it means that all the people who before the patch relied on scanning alone for income have been ****** up the ass, due to all the site being found as soon as they spawn, before the patch you might scan down 3 or 4 systems before you found something now you lucky to find anything after spending a day going from system to system.
strike three this new set up for probes as you deploy them means that scanning has no skill in evolved its a newbie skill now
i spent moths training up my scanning skills to level 5 so i could use all 8 probes and use them well, now all i have to do i spend a week training to get the same result, scan ships are now next to use less because you can now get the great scan strength from a bs fit with the moduals which means that. which means all us player who have spend months traing for the right ships and skills have been told bad luck don't care

SERIOUSLY CCP WHY **** UP WHAT WAS GREAT
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#2 - 2013-06-13 05:04:19 UTC
Cause they can and will, I tried the new scan system I removed my scanning equipment and recycled them, back to missioning.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-13 05:10:19 UTC
maybe go to low sec where less than 10% of population live and scan there

I thought AAA was a null alliance anyway, shouldn't be any competition for sites in null.

Art of Explosions
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-06-13 05:26:46 UTC
I agree with the OP.

True exploration is now a thing of the past. It not only required high skills and specialized equipment, it also required patience and persistence, along with some ingenuity and proper planing. Now it's nothing more than spoon fed instant gratification.



DMC



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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#5 - 2013-06-13 06:12:27 UTC
Aracno't wrote:
first strike is our scan strength has dropped making it harder for us to find stuff
second strike now that its so easy to scan everyone is out there scanning
Wait, wut? So it's harder, but it's so easy everyone is doing it? .... ok
Aracno't wrote:
...due to all the site being found as soon as they spawn, before the patch you might scan down 3 or 4 systems before you found something now you lucky to find anything after spending a day going from system to system.
Then you are doing it wrong.
Aracno't wrote:
i spent moths training up my scanning skills to level 5 so i could use all 8 probes and use them well, now all i have to do i spend a week training to get the same result, scan ships are now next to use less because you can now get the great scan strength from a bs fit with the moduals which means that. which means all us player who have spend months traing for the right ships and skills have been told bad luck don't care
errr.... With level V skills you'll still find stuff faster than a 3 week noob, and you'll have cargo scanned and cleared half the site before they even arrive. 'Course that's given you are doing it right which... well.... see above. And scan strength ships also get bonuses to Analyzers, so you can cruise thru the tier 1 data/relic sites one-shoting firewalls and never taking damage. Again, do it right.

I agree it's been dumbed down so that any monkey can go "exploring". Though that's not even the right word for it. It's hardly exploration when you have a big glowing red ball on your map saying "goodies here! probe now!". There's alot of other stuff to complain about (like the lack of decent strategy in the mini-game, or the pointless loot spew), but not really what the OP is hitting at.
Mycael
Air
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-06-13 06:25:33 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
maybe go to low sec where less than 10% of population live and scan there


After years of living and exploring in highsec, some of them are now doing this.

And they don't know how to dscan properly Twisted
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-13 06:46:55 UTC
Mycael wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
maybe go to low sec where less than 10% of population live and scan there


After years of living and exploring in highsec, some of them are now doing this.

And they don't know how to dscan properly Twisted


and it is glorious Twisted

Art of Explosions
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#8 - 2013-06-13 07:57:09 UTC
Quote:
first strike is our scan strength has dropped making it harder for us to find stuff

It looks like i found a person who is even more bad at math than i am Shocked

before: base * 1.50
now: base * 1.25 * 1.25

So the scan strength increased with the patch.

I also have All V skills + virture and i don't regret it.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#9 - 2013-06-13 08:53:59 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I agree with the OP.

True exploration is now a thing of the past. It not only required high skills and specialized equipment, it also required patience and persistence, along with some ingenuity and proper planing. Now it's nothing more than spoon fed instant gratification.



DMC





meh, the first serpentis narcotic warehouses I found (in late 2008 or early 2009) involved me being forced to launch my probes by flying my spaceship around the system, and placing them in a non overlapping fashion by placing the SPACESHIP there. It took me about 30 minutes to create the bms required to do this, and then it required the probes to be run 6 times to get the hit - which as I recall - took an hour, and was probability based, and thus could fail indefinitely if it felt like it. The BMs themselves were a work of art in themselves too.

About 10 minutes in, still learning the plex in a vexor, I was overtaken by an Ishtar.

Could you imagine doing that twice. I couldn't, and didn't. I waited for the new system.
Signal11th
#10 - 2013-06-13 08:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
I must admit I used to do exploration alot but since the new patch I haven't done. Unfortunately for me I just don't like the new layout and the feel.

As they say adapt or die so I can't be arsed to adapt so I shall let it die. Unfortunately I do like doing stuff e.g skills ships and trainign for something to make myself at least try to be better than the rest and I think the amount of training you put in should give you a distinct advantage over others that haven't.

Unfortunately it just seems like all that training is now a little wasted and the bar has been lowered for people who couldn't be bothered to train properly.

Now this may or may not be the case but it's my perception so I'll just cross it off my list as something I used to enjoy.

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Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-06-13 10:36:30 UTC
I like the changes they made to scanning but I can agree in part with the OP. I think now that they have made these changes and introduced scanning to more players they should now add more difficult aspects to scanning that require higher skills and patience. What exists now is a good starting platform though.
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#12 - 2013-06-13 11:01:03 UTC
Love the changes.
Love the new scanning.
Don't like it, do use it.

Whatever.
Dr NAthan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-06-13 11:34:11 UTC
Yup,

Exploration has been opened up to people who could never be arsed to invest time to learn the skills and how to scan for the rewards.


Here everyone, take this free path to ISK making.

Yet another section of EvE watered down to the masses...
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-13 12:03:55 UTC
Dr NAthan wrote:
Yup,

Exploration has been opened up to people who could never be arsed to invest time to learn the skills and how to scan for the rewards.


Here everyone, take this free path to ISK making.

Yet another section of EvE watered down to the masses...


All I can deduce from this post:

QQ all noobs stealing my high sec sites because they made scanning less convoluted and user friendly and I don't want to risk going into low/null/w-space because I'm a giant bear.

Art of Explosions
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#15 - 2013-06-13 12:04:32 UTC
Dr NAthan wrote:
Yup,

Exploration has been opened up to people who could never be arsed to invest time to learn the skills and how to scan for the rewards.
Here everyone, take this free path to ISK making.

Yet another section of EvE watered down to the masses...

Because pressing 8x Times F1 and then hassle around with shift and alt key just to get to probes to the position like 1000x times before is a sign of skill!

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Eyana Starstruck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-06-13 12:07:01 UTC
All I see are bear tears about how they are not making the right amount of isk like they did before because of competition. What's wrong with giving the masses ways to make ISK, cause you are not the one getting it? Aw buhu, go listen to justin bieber and cry in some corner cause some meanie took some site before you...

New scan system increased the speed of system scanning, getting ship positions also is faster, it brought wh space to more people which in return we can see more pvp.

I like it and do not wish it to go back to the old ways, that thing took so much time, launch each probe, then spread them, then with each scan range changes again modify the position of probes, many people were getting bored at the stage of probe launching. This way that part of the game has been made interesting again and I THANK YOU CCP, god bless the person that devised it, for opening exploration to more people so more of them can earn their share and spend it on pvp.
Aracno't
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-06-13 12:27:38 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Quote:
first strike is our scan strength has dropped making it harder for us to find stuff

It looks like i found a person who is even more bad at math than i am Shocked

before: base * 1.50
now: base * 1.25 * 1.25

So the scan strength increased with the patch.

I also have All V skills + virture and i don't regret it.



my scan strength before patch was 136.3 after patch it is 131.1
Aracno't
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-06-13 12:28:55 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
All I see are bear tears about how they are not making the right amount of isk like they did before because of competition. What's wrong with giving the masses ways to make ISK, cause you are not the one getting it? Aw buhu, go listen to justin bieber and cry in some corner cause some meanie took some site before you...

New scan system increased the speed of system scanning, getting ship positions also is faster, it brought wh space to more people which in return we can see more pvp.

I like it and do not wish it to go back to the old ways, that thing took so much time, launch each probe, then spread them, then with each scan range changes again modify the position of probes, many people were getting bored at the stage of probe launching. This way that part of the game has been made interesting again and I THANK YOU CCP, god bless the person that devised it, for opening exploration to more people so more of them can earn their share and spend it on pvp.



you could change the scan size in one hit its called the ctrl A key selects them all
Spawn08
Celestial Enterprises.
#19 - 2013-06-13 12:30:09 UTC
CCP have a diagram. This diagram would measure Real Money over players interest in the game.

People grow up and stop playing MMOs 1 day, and attracting new players and retaining their subscription is paramount to them moving forward and making money.

They do this by features in the game. The game is 10 years old now and the difference in a player who played for 1 year to a play who played for 10 is huge.

To help newer players stay subscribed they need to keep them entertained and play with the big boys.

Hense changes like this.
Eyana Starstruck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-06-13 12:34:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Eyana Starstruck
Aracno't wrote:



you could change the scan size in one hit its called the ctrl A key selects them all


It's called holding shift while dragging the scan range bubble...
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