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Ramdisk or not...?

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Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#21 - 2013-06-13 02:22:53 UTC
GooieGoober wrote:
Initially, I was running a GTX 8800 when I built the machine...and that was the bottleneck when playing. A couple of years ago, I switched it out for the 560Ti and now I'm seeing CPU utilization at 90-98% and memory at 3.8 out of 4gb used. I purposly don't have other apps running on this machine to maximize gaming. No virus scanner...I even shut off Steam. I don't surf the web on my game box to keep from getting infected/hacked. I have another computer to do everything else on (web, data storage, email, etc). By dropping the Ramdisk option, there is no need for 32gb ram. I think 16 would be more than enough to hold me over for a few more years.

Liquid cooling helped keep this machine living longer, but I think it may be time to retire the beast.

That is strange. I rarely ever see CPU utilisation go above 50%. Also the memory always allocates the maximum amount possible, although eve doesn't actually need the full amount, but if you have it spare then it will take it. So using all of the 4GB of memory is normal.
Troezar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-06-13 05:07:51 UTC
I can't recommend an SSD enough, obviously a decent GPU is required but the SSD will make everything much slicker.

Not mentioned yet is resolution which has a great bearing on GPU performance. I run at 2560x1440 and find multiple clients fine maxed out, that is with a 7970 though.

I've put an SSD into a 6 year old laptop and that was transformed, worth a look for any laptop users reading this.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#23 - 2013-06-13 05:33:55 UTC
EVE is only really intensive on GPU up to a point, once your GPU can give you 60fps at fullgraphics, the next bottleneck its the CPU and will keep being the CPU for everything, this is SPECIALLY noticeable on large fleets where you will notice your GPU running at relatively low temps, your CPU crunching a single core at 100% use, and getting only 4FPS.

the titan in luminaire allowed me to test it with some decent hardware, GTX 680 ivy bridge at 4ghz and ram at 2000mhz, yet my screenshots at 1080p and fraps both clearly show the CPU Was to blame for the low client performance, of course the server performance is totally Irrelevant and even if I had been able to get 120fps... tidy was locked at 90% so who cares it was like the matrix.
GooieGoober
Miranda Regional Technologies
#24 - 2013-06-13 18:02:10 UTC
Tiber Ibis wrote:
That is strange. I rarely ever see CPU utilisation go above 50%. Also the memory always allocates the maximum amount possible, although eve doesn't actually need the full amount, but if you have it spare then it will take it. So using all of the 4GB of memory is normal.




I'm running a E8600 OC'd to 4 ghz. The old chip instructions may be maxing out with the new releases of the game?
Zir Blazer
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-06-16 08:12:38 UTC
From 48 hours ago, I'm the proud owner of 32 GB of RAM. Putting Eve Online into the RAMDisk was one of the first things I tried to do. My take:

Copying the 12 GB/1133 files EVE installation folder (Program Files\CCP\EVE) to the RAMDisk is NOT enough to make it work properly, and this should also apply if I wanted to move the Eve install folder to anywhere else inside my Hard Disk. If you execute EVE\launcher\launcher.exe, it seems to be bugged somehow, because it wants to re-patch itself to the same version (Didn't let it finish to see what happens):

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8507/9ddz.png

You can open the client directly using EVE\bin\ExeFile.exe. However, after entering my character, it opens up as if it was a fresh install with NO settings. This means that you will have to place and resizing windows and tabs all over again - not happening. Also, if I use the launcher, cancel it while creating the patch and later execute the client, it complains that my installation is corrupted or modified because checksum doesn't match.


Besides the installation folder, Eve Online also has files scattered through two other places: Documents and Settings\[My user]\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE. Its just 342 MB, but with 20599 files, and it seems to include Characters poirtraits and the like, mostly client cache. As some people should know, performance with TONS of small files is MUCH lower that if it was a single, or a few, very big files, so those DO are an annoyance. There are also files on My Documents\EVE, with just 90 MB but nearly 2000 files, that seems to be comprised of chat logs.
I didn't checked Windows Registry to check what Eve has there. Will check to see if modifying the install route I can get it working, as I copied just the install folder, the other two are still where they were before. To be honest, I would prefer that Eve Online was encapsulated to make it easily portable, or at least that the cache folders were easily user-seteable.



After my first year playing Eve, I had some horrible client start up issues right after login, it took two or three minutes to load the Character screen with constant HD activity - and by no means my HD is slow, is a Samsung SpinPoint F3 3 years old that was top notch in HD performance. Googling I found on forums than I should clear the Cache - indeed, that did it, as at that time, My Documents\EVE had 80000 files of chat logs and the other things it saves by default for one entire year. So Eve load times CAN be VERY heavy on I/O if you let that Cache grow like mine did, as it seems to check all of it at login.
Ideally, I suppose that Eve could use the RAMDisk for both static client files if you can give yourself the luxury of having enough capacity to fit those 12 GB in it for near-instant load times, as it wouldn't have to read those files from the HD everytime it needs to load more game data, and also cache, that is most specifically, all those sort of small, I/O consuming files. Maybe it could throw them all at once along with logs to the HD after closing the client, but I could also do it myself manually if I want to save something. Either way, that is mostly discardeable data.

Placing Eve on a RAMDisk is a good chunck of the job that it should requiere to make it portable. The important thing here are settings, but cache would help too. Recent searched terms and the like are very helpful.
Khemax
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-06-16 09:33:10 UTC
Ok ill add a little bit of agreement of previous posts.

Get an SSD not a RAM disk....the differences are minor but there are advantages to an SSD

Yes you can happily run numerous clients on an SSD and they run very well but the only real difference oyu will see is loading. The majority of the work is done on your graphics card (good choice btw), and your RAM which I would suggest a minimum of 8GB for smooth switching between clients.

Anyway I hope this helps you out


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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-06-16 13:21:24 UTC
Khemax wrote:
Ok ill add a little bit of agreement of previous posts.

Get an SSD not a RAM disk....the differences are minor but there are advantages to an SSD

Yes you can happily run numerous clients on an SSD and they run very well but the only real difference oyu will see is loading. The majority of the work is done on your graphics card (good choice btw), and your RAM which I would suggest a minimum of 8GB for smooth switching between clients.

Anyway I hope this helps you out


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Running 12GB here with 0 ramdisk (W8) 2 clients working without an issue

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GooieGoober
Miranda Regional Technologies
#28 - 2013-06-26 23:31:09 UTC
Thanks everyone for the input. Now to scrape up the cash.
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#29 - 2013-06-27 02:29:06 UTC
As some1 who multiboxes like crazy in other than mining situations...

Biggest Upgrades were SSD w/o pagefile & vastly more ram. I have an i7 cpu that never see's past 25% on multiple clients. Ram on the other hand gets used up quickly. 5 clients can turn up ram usage into the 12gb range easily. As far as graphics, turn them down or upgrade. pretty simple.
Aurette
962348 Corporation
#30 - 2013-06-27 02:34:20 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Use an SSD instead of ramdisk. Same thing almost, and I stress almost. You still have to deal with the bus speed of your drive controller etc, but still it's effectively the same thing. The longevity of a SSD is much higher than people think, especially with the ones out now.

Aside from needing a better graphics card this is what I just built in January:
...
2. Intel Core i7 3820 3.6GHz LGA 2011 Boxed Processor
3. Intel DX79SI Extreme LGA 2011 X79 ATX Intel Motherboard
4. Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B 135MM Fan CPU Cooler - Blue LED
.....



Agree, I went the same i7 3820 CPU on a Intel DX79TO for my last build a few months back, did grab 32GB ram as future proofing.

When I saw the specs on modern SSD I didn't bother with a rotating drive and went two SSD, not huge but I only install a game or 2 on my main gaming rig and have email etc on my older ex main rig.

Yes my bottle neck is my GPU which is an GF GTX670OC.

Two clients run just fine on highest settings. Would be nice if the EVE load screen could save/load account based profiles so that I can load my main, and various alts with appropriate settings rather than manually lowering for clients above the first.

Have not tried going beyond 3 on a machine yet, and that was on my old kit, yet to push the new one.
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