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Further Changes to High-Sec Criminal Activity Gameplay Mechanics Requested

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-11-07 04:45:07 UTC
Ok i agree, however you forgot one thing

In reality Police is investigating and once they find out who it was, which in this case is quite easy.. you see that ************ on grid so you can perfectly say it was him/her, they hunt the criminal across the country, which in case of EVE would be whole Universe exclude null.

And no sec. status improvement should have anything to do with it.. once you commit crime you die and then die and then some more.

CONCORD hunt would be fullfilled once you lose 200 times more than you took away. Big smile
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#22 - 2011-11-07 04:55:19 UTC
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
I am a hisec miner and industrialist. You do not speak for me and other industrialist that I know. You are obviously a weak little field mouse.

-1 to you.


Then you, and the people you know, obviously do not represent the majority. Your opinions are of no significance. Either that, or you are simply too inept to understand the importance of the things we are fighting for. To say that we do not speak for you would show extreme puerility on your part.

So, what will it be, irrelevance or ignorance?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-11-07 04:56:48 UTC
Ann133566 wrote:
Is suicide ganking indy ships PvP?

Why wouldn't it be?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#24 - 2011-11-07 04:57:38 UTC
Quote:
game mechanics do not allow podding vie can flipping, without concord getting involved. If they did the whole bear population would cry enough tears to blot out the star in jita


Maybe that would be a good next step? Also have Concord pod gankers?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-11-07 04:58:46 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ann133566 wrote:
Is suicide ganking indy ships PvP?

Why wouldn't it be?


true it is.. by the general meaning both subjects are players...

However its neither fun nor competition its just kind of pointless for both sides. Big smile
Nobody gets any experience from such engagement. One party can get warm feeling but that's about sociopaths and their pets.
And the same party can actually get something towards his/her wallet.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2011-11-07 05:00:40 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ann133566 wrote:
Is suicide ganking indy ships PvP?

Why wouldn't it be?


true it is.. by the general meaning both subjects are players...

However its neither fun nor competition its just kind of pointless for both sides. Big smile
Nobody gets any experience from such engagement. One party can get warm feeling but that's about sociopaths and their pets.
And the same party can actually get something towards his/her wallet.


Illogical, ''sociopathic'' actions make sense considering the point of EVE (a game) is actually entertainment.
It's fun for the ganker at least, else it wouldn't happen.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-11-07 05:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ann133566 wrote:
Is suicide ganking indy ships PvP?

Why wouldn't it be?


true it is.. by the general meaning both subjects are players...

However its neither fun nor competition its just kind of pointless for both sides. Big smile
Nobody gets any experience from such engagement. One party can get warm feeling but that's about sociopaths and their pets.
And the same party can actually get something towards his/her wallet.


Illogical, ''sociopathic'' actions make sense considering the point of EVE (a game) is actually entertainment.
It's fun for the ganker at least, else it wouldn't happen.


proving my point. Its fun for the player not the character in game. Else it would not happen.
The person is "real", fun is "real". But thats bean beated allready so leave it at that. Doesnt matter as long as you dont count it.

But the OP wrote a wall of text excluding any real life example of how Police, in this case Criminal Police work at any socialistic country and chose poorly the fault of the police department elsewhere as an point that CONCORD is too "powerfull"

In some countries POLICE will just shot your family, your neighbors, bomb your city until you get nowhere to go and nobody will help you out of fear that they would be next.

PS. Unless working bounty system is invented / fairy world/ CONCORD should be powerfull and buffed to react on the character history not on its assault. Therefor he could be preemtively shot by CONCORD just because.. And than HTFU ...
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#28 - 2011-11-07 05:05:24 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Ok i agree, however you forgot one thing

In reality Police is investigating and once they find out who it was, which in this case is quite easy.. you see that ************ on grid so you can perfectly say it was him/her, they hunt the criminal across the country, which in case of EVE would be whole Universe exclude null.

And no sec. status improvement should have anything to do with it.. once you commit crime you die and then die and then some more.

CONCORD hunt would be fullfilled once you lose 200 times more than you took away. Big smile


Two quick points:

1. That's not how real-life police functions anyway. Real-life justice systems will look the other way if you have power/influence, or if you're of use to them.

2. We already have this form of punishment in the form of negative security status. It takes quite a bit of time to fix your security status, in terms of game time. You can hardly outlaw someone for two decades for an EVE gank. Time in games is compressed, and events happen faster than in real life. A few days of punishment is good enough for EVE online.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-11-07 05:06:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ann133566 wrote:
Is suicide ganking indy ships PvP?

Why wouldn't it be?


true it is.. by the general meaning both subjects are players...

However its neither fun nor competition its just kind of pointless for both sides. Big smile
Nobody gets any experience from such engagement. One party can get warm feeling but that's about sociopaths and their pets.
And the same party can actually get something towards his/her wallet.


Illogical, ''sociopathic'' actions make sense considering the point of EVE (a game) is actually entertainment.
It's fun for the ganker at least, else it wouldn't happen.


proving my point. Its fun for the player not the character in game. Else it would not happen.
The person is "real", fun is "real". But thats bean beated allready so leave it at that. Doesnt matter as long as you dont count it.

But the OP wrote a wall of text excluding any real life example of how Police, in this case Criminal Police work at any socialistic country and chose poorly the fault of the police department elsewhere as an point that CONCORD is too "powerfull"

In some countries POLICE will just shot your family, your neighbors, bomb your city until you get nowhere to go and nobody will help you out of fear that they would be next.


It's fun for the character who, as an immortal *******, is probably ten THOUSAND times more jaded and prone to taking 'illogical'' actions than a regular anonymous internet bully to get his rocks off. Heck, there are probably some capsuleers that have a cloning fetish.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-11-07 05:07:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Ok i agree, however you forgot one thing

In reality Police is investigating and once they find out who it was, which in this case is quite easy.. you see that ************ on grid so you can perfectly say it was him/her, they hunt the criminal across the country, which in case of EVE would be whole Universe exclude null.

And no sec. status improvement should have anything to do with it.. once you commit crime you die and then die and then some more.

CONCORD hunt would be fullfilled once you lose 200 times more than you took away. Big smile


Two quick points:

1. That's not how real-life police functions anyway. Real-life justice systems will look the other way if you have power/influence, or if you're of use to them.

2. We already have this form of punishment in the form of negative security status. It takes quite a bit of time to fix your security status, in terms of game time. You can hardly outlaw someone for two decades for an EVE gank. Time in games is compressed, and events happen faster than in real life. A few days of punishment is good enough for EVE online.


1. True but thats not idea of the police, thats the failure of society.

2. Not that hard +0,4 an hour or so. .
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-11-07 05:17:00 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:


It's fun for the character who, as an immortal *******, is probably ten THOUSAND times more jaded and prone to taking 'illogical'' actions than a regular anonymous internet bully to get his rocks off. Heck, there are probably some capsuleers that have a cloning fetish.


And fun is that after i read it i first was looking at some kind of "hidden" insult. And i wanted to write that i am not looking for fight.

Then i realise this is not the case.. I should take an break from forums. What?
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2011-11-07 05:18:51 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:


It's fun for the character who, as an immortal *******, is probably ten THOUSAND times more jaded and prone to taking 'illogical'' actions than a regular anonymous internet bully to get his rocks off. Heck, there are probably some capsuleers that have a cloning fetish.


And fun is that after i read it i first was looking at some kind of "hidden" insult. And i wanted to write that i am not looking for fight.

Then i realise this is not the case.. I should take an break from forums. What?


Unfortunately, forums are also non-consensual PVP.

I wasn't insulting anybody, just stating the fact that you can't unilaterally decide what our characters should consider ''fun''.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-11-07 05:19:09 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Maybe that would be a good next step? Also have Concord pod gankers?

For the luls, yes CONCORD should pod them and regardless if your updated or not you loose SP because CONCORD is packing a "mumbo-jumbo scrambler that disrupts the cloning procedure". Why should they feel safe crossing into highsec in just a pod? Its a cold harsh universe out there and lock times of player ships are just to slow, CONCORD ships should reinforce that harsh universe as a reminder of what kind of life style the aggressive pilot gets to play by being able to pod other complacement players Roll.

Yeah, will never happen but god would it be funny if it did Lol
Malinae Jor
McClardy Fiduciary Logistics
#34 - 2011-11-07 05:19:52 UTC
So, I suppose if this were also the case, CONCORD should start podding you after you suicide gank someone? Since, you know, sometimes in the real world, police shoot and kill threats in order to neutralize them when they don't have the time to sort out what happened when the guy standing next to them pulls out a shotgun and shoots a random civilian coming out of the bank...

Maybe CONCORD should have a way to impound your ship if you leave it in the station too long too? Let's see how fast your Dramiel can go when it's Space Booted. Or maybe we could charge gate campers ISK for loitering and send them home... Or fine corporations that leave offlined towers on moons in high sec when they forget to fuel them? Maybe we could have the option to push your Warp Drive to go a few AUs faster at the risk of being pulled over by CONCORD and fined... Maybe we could charge miners for littering if they put too many GSCs out in the belts.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-11-07 05:20:41 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:


It's fun for the character who, as an immortal *******, is probably ten THOUSAND times more jaded and prone to taking 'illogical'' actions than a regular anonymous internet bully to get his rocks off. Heck, there are probably some capsuleers that have a cloning fetish.


And fun is that after i read it i first was looking at some kind of "hidden" insult. And i wanted to write that i am not looking for fight.

Then i realise this is not the case.. I should take an break from forums. What?


Unfortunately, forums are also non-consensual PVP.

I wasn't insulting anybody, just stating the fact that you can't unilaterally decide what our characters should consider ''fun''.


In that case that person conciser him/herself as role-player, their character got its role and they chose to execute it... In this case i salute them.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-11-07 05:25:00 UTC
Dear OP,
Your worthless, wordy, corporate-lingo sprinkled post belongs in Features and Ideas, where it would also be worthless.

Thanks for nothing.


Less than nothing to see here folks, move along....


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#37 - 2011-11-07 05:25:05 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Maybe that would be a good next step? Also have Concord pod gankers?

For the luls, yes CONCORD should pod them and regardless if your updated or not you loose SP because CONCORD is packing a "mumbo-jumbo scrambler that disrupts the cloning procedure". Why should they feel safe crossing into highsec in just a pod? Its a cold harsh universe out there and lock times of player ships are just to slow, CONCORD ships should reinforce that harsh universe as a reminder of what kind of life style the aggressive pilot gets to play by being able to pod other complacement players Roll.

Yeah, will never happen but god would it be funny if it did Lol


I particularly like the bit I highlighted. Big smile

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#38 - 2011-11-07 06:14:41 UTC
We need mo ho's (not u wannabe girls either) and less forum tripe please.

What was the question?

Thanks

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#39 - 2011-11-07 06:35:44 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
We need mo ho's (not u wannabe girls either) and less forum tripe please.

What was the question?

Thanks


You're welcome!

Katrina Oniseki
mkint
#40 - 2011-11-07 06:36:48 UTC
Shivus Tao wrote:
If concord is to become more like its real life equivalent then I need to be able to bribe them with space donuts to look the other way, as well as call up my space lawyer to sue concord to pay for my ship destroyed by unlawful use of force. On that note, they should only then be allowed to disable and impound ships rather than destroy them. Also concord would have to be restricted to using only the old model of gallente navy comets.

CONCORD should also have the authority to imprison pilots. Too many suicide ganks and your character is locked up for 20 years to life.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.