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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#61 - 2013-06-11 19:17:05 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
In eve, if you can grab it and hold on to it, it's yours, and its every man for himself. It's like musical chairs but everyone has a flamethrower.

Is it wrong that this creates a mental image that makes me giggle like a cracked-out mental patient?

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

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Rikanin
Mining Reloaded
#62 - 2013-06-11 19:50:18 UTC
The REAL answer to this question is...

Everybody you ask will have a different answer ranging from ...

It's not mine until it's in my cargo hold

to

I WAS IN THIS BELT FIRST!!! GTFO!!!!
Selene Nask
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2013-06-11 19:52:32 UTC

This has happened to me a couple of months after I started. I was by myself, mining my little roid when guy warps in and proceeds to mine the exact rock I was. Hmm I thought, this belt is huge this seems a little rude. Oh well whatever. It got better though. After a couple of minutes he messages me and then proceeded to harass me in a rather vulgar way for mining HIS rock. I closed the window. He kept trying.

Now I'm thinking THIS is really rude. Who peed in his cornflakes? I could have left but it became a matter of principle. I started to get pretty mad. Oh wait. This is EVE!! YES! I thought for a moment. My combat alt was really far away and I didn't feel like moving her and wasn't sure if I had the skills enough to do it.

The story ended with me managing to find someone to sacrifice a ship and blow them up and then a rather rude and vulgar EVEmail which I now treasure.

Satisfaction.

I learned pretty quickly that in EVE it's a-okay to blow someone up just for being a jerky idiot.

I like EVE.

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-06-11 22:42:00 UTC
I Need PLEX wrote:
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
I'm new to EVE, so I don't know if claim jumpers are viewed in a poor light or whatnot. I was mining an asteroid, and some other miner started mining the rock I was on. Is that considered bad manners?

In other games it's considered bad manners to gather resources someone else is working on, but this is EVE, where even piracy is encouraged, and thus the question is posed.

I tried to message the miner, but was refused communications.

What should I make of all this?


I would suggest you report the offender to the player James 315. He runs an alliance that polices miners and makes sure that these miscreants are not behaving badly such as what happened to you. His organization is The New Order: alliance ticker CODE.



Should make sure your hisec mining permit is in order first.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#65 - 2013-06-11 22:44:44 UTC
It's also bad manners to enter a system without announcing yourself in local.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Ekhss Nihilo
The Night Watchmen
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2013-06-11 22:47:50 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
I'm new to EVE, so I don't know if claim jumpers are viewed in a poor light or whatnot. I was mining an asteroid, and some other miner started mining the rock I was on. Is that considered bad manners?

In other games it's considered bad manners to gather resources someone else is working on, but this is EVE, where even piracy is encouraged, and thus the question is posed.

I tried to message the miner, but was refused communications.

What should I make of all this?


It happens all the time.

You have several options;I

1) Shrug and say "theres plenty of rocks in space, its no biggie" and move on

2) Growl to yourself, rant in local, and change system to be away from them

3) Declare the belt as yours and declare Wars on any other mining corp who dares touch your rocks

4) Find out where his base is and hire some mercenaries to kick his door in in the middle of the night, drag him out of bed, tie him to the docking ring and have his entire family ejected into space in front of him as a warning that subhuman filth like him should think twice about messing with you.


Also, never kill your enemy in front of his family, thats the wrong way around and just breeds stupid martyrs.

Option 4 FTW. I like your style, Ramona.

"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius (AD 121-180)
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#67 - 2013-06-11 22:53:25 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
I'm new to EVE, so I don't know if claim jumpers are viewed in a poor light or whatnot. I was mining an asteroid, and some other miner started mining the rock I was on. Is that considered bad manners?

In other games it's considered bad manners to gather resources someone else is working on, but this is EVE, where even piracy is encouraged, and thus the question is posed.

I tried to message the miner, but was refused communications.

What should I make of all this?


It is either bad manners or ignorance.

I know that on one of my computers, the graphics card is so bad that I have to turn down the resolution so far that I don't see the mining lasers in space. Consequently, I can't see what rock another miner is shooting. Makes that character a bit unpopular during Corp mining ops. Also, many miners mine while doing something else so they don't monitor local and may just refuse all incoming private convos.

So, there are some good explanations that are possible.

However, there are some that are just rude and when we run across toons that do this on a regular basis they somehow get visited by a few Catalysts. Must just be coincidence,

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#68 - 2013-06-11 22:58:47 UTC
Humera Hekard wrote:
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
I'm new to EVE....blah, blah, blah, I am whiny and want to make isk without risk...


F**k you and excuse the rant/roidrage. EVE is a sandbox.

When I mine I am don't give a damn about if you are mining from a from a rock in space. My sole purpose is to gather as much resources as possible in a short a possible a time and if that means I am mining from the same rock as you, then go call the waaaaaaaaambulance or something. As far as I am concerned it is just PvP in another form (save the blatantly obvious one of shooting at other players).

Besides, have you paid your mining fee?


The OP asked if it was considered bad manners. Not whether there are a lot of rude and offensive people in EVE. If that was the question, you would have answered it clearly.


"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
Cyrus Alabel
Azure Wrath
#69 - 2013-06-11 23:02:36 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
How about a mechanic that wont let more than one player lock a roid. It would make ice mining more interesting aswell.
Supported.


I hold out faint hope that this might make mining corps wardec each other for anoms.

Doitdoitdoitdoitdoit.
Humera Hekard
Hekard Industries Inc.
#70 - 2013-06-12 12:05:07 UTC
Ok, so no rant/roidrage this time.

The point I was trying to make was that in all fairness I found the OP to be naive, which I guess is OK being new to the game, or perhaps not since I reckon you have to do your "homework" on this kind of MMO before playing it. Jumping in is all well and good but not recommended. EVE is so vast in terms of what you can do, but also quite harsh in terms of its player base. Take a walk into low and null and you will find people who will not hesitate to blow up your ship and your pod. If you reckon this too to be bad manners then you have come to the wrong "party".

My [sarcasm=true] rant [/sarcasm] was more along the lines of he or she might expect from a decent amount of players. Not everyone is willing to be nice, courteous or respect you in any way shape or form regardless if you are new or old to the game. Everyone has an agenda and the results of player interaction dictate very much what direction your time in EVE takes.

I have landed in belts with my orca + miners and have been met with many different forms of curse words or other personal attacks simply because I will proceed to vacuum a belt empty before a solo miner can put any sizable dent in it. The most you will get from me is perhaps small talk at some civil level but other than that I am in the belt to gather as much resources in as short a time as possible and be done with mining for the remainder of my playing session.

And yes it is my opinion that other miners be damned and if they reckon it to be bad manners then they have perhaps misunderstood the nature of the game - "eat or be eaten".
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-06-12 12:28:41 UTC
Its bad manners not to give someone pod express if you blow them up in your space.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#72 - 2013-06-12 12:44:39 UTC
Selene Nask wrote:

This has happened to me a couple of months after I started. I was by myself, mining my little roid when guy warps in and proceeds to mine the exact rock I was. Hmm I thought, this belt is huge this seems a little rude. Oh well whatever. It got better though. After a couple of minutes he messages me and then proceeded to harass me in a rather vulgar way for mining HIS rock. I closed the window. He kept trying.

Now I'm thinking THIS is really rude. Who peed in his cornflakes? I could have left but it became a matter of principle. I started to get pretty mad. Oh wait. This is EVE!! YES! I thought for a moment. My combat alt was really far away and I didn't feel like moving her and wasn't sure if I had the skills enough to do it.

The story ended with me managing to find someone to sacrifice a ship and blow them up and then a rather rude and vulgar EVEmail which I now treasure.

Satisfaction.

I learned pretty quickly that in EVE it's a-okay to blow someone up just for being a jerky idiot.

I like EVE.




These are people who were bullied horrendously as children, and are now seeking revenge and succor by now doing likewise only because they can.

They have been raised in a time where e-reality and reality-reality are blurred, certainly, but they seem to be unable to distinguish a difference.

E-Revenge comes off as really lame most of the time. Stealing Space Pixels means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Just like their very lives.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#73 - 2013-06-12 12:51:06 UTC
I think this has more to do with maliciousness than any kind of strategic forethought especially in the case of Gas Cloud Mining.

These Gas sites have a very limited and set amount of gas. So, one can be mining away at Gas with a small fleet, and then here comes "Mr. 3-Weeks-in-an-NPC Corp" in a Venture, to usurp just a few cycles of gas. A useless amount. The Gas products, especially those found in High Sec, don't really sell all that well at all, and that tiny amount is just going to sit uselessly on the Market forever. And you, the original gas miner, lose out.

The usurper does not know you, you don't know them. It has nothing to do with revenge, and everything about being a total a**.

And only because they can.

And they cannot be War Decced.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-06-12 19:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Reading all of these replies, and seeing everyone act out their true desires in-game, made me realize the reason why we have wars all of the time in real life, the reason some countries suffer famine and disease, diseases for which there are cures, the reason rich and powerful countries, corporations, and individuals profit from them or ignore them, or for the sake of the egalitarian types (carebears), they make up U.N. rules and policies that look nice but do anything substantial about any of the problems, the reason there are so many criminals preying on the hard working enterprisers, and the reason many enterprisers act like pirates.... is because humans are scum....

Long live trees and furry little animals! Down with humans! LOL

Yes, this is going to be an interesting "game" indeed...

Watch this space.  New exciting signature in development.
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#75 - 2013-06-12 20:20:35 UTC
Humera Hekard wrote:
Ok, so no rant/roidrage this time.

The point I was trying to make was that in all fairness I found the OP to be naive, which I guess is OK being new to the game, or perhaps not since I reckon you have to do your "homework" on this kind of MMO before playing it. Jumping in is all well and good but not recommended. EVE is so vast in terms of what you can do, but also quite harsh in terms of its player base. Take a walk into low and null and you will find people who will not hesitate to blow up your ship and your pod. If you reckon this too to be bad manners then you have come to the wrong "party".

My [sarcasm=true] rant [/sarcasm] was more along the lines of he or she might expect from a decent amount of players. Not everyone is willing to be nice, courteous or respect you in any way shape or form regardless if you are new or old to the game. Everyone has an agenda and the results of player interaction dictate very much what direction your time in EVE takes.

I have landed in belts with my orca + miners and have been met with many different forms of curse words or other personal attacks simply because I will proceed to vacuum a belt empty before a solo miner can put any sizable dent in it. The most you will get from me is perhaps small talk at some civil level but other than that I am in the belt to gather as much resources in as short a time as possible and be done with mining for the remainder of my playing session.

And yes it is my opinion that other miners be damned and if they reckon it to be bad manners then they have perhaps misunderstood the nature of the game - "eat or be eaten".


When my crew suck up a belt with a mining fleet, yeah we don't care if there is anyone else there. That wasn't the situation for the OP however. Two miners in a large belt don't need to shooting the same rock.

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#76 - 2013-06-12 20:23:51 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I think this has more to do with maliciousness than any kind of strategic forethought especially in the case of Gas Cloud Mining.

These Gas sites have a very limited and set amount of gas. So, one can be mining away at Gas with a small fleet, and then here comes "Mr. 3-Weeks-in-an-NPC Corp" in a Venture, to usurp just a few cycles of gas. A useless amount. The Gas products, especially those found in High Sec, don't really sell all that well at all, and that tiny amount is just going to sit uselessly on the Market forever. And you, the original gas miner, lose out.

The usurper does not know you, you don't know them. It has nothing to do with revenge, and everything about being a total a**.

And only because they can.

And they cannot be War Decced.


Again, this is a different situation than what the OP described. Gas clouds are a limited resource. The other miner can't just most to the next rock. In this case, get what you can while you can.

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#77 - 2013-06-12 20:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Gallifreyan
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

These are people who were bullied horrendously as children



Yeah makes total sense that the original bullies and their victims swapped places



These are the bullies, *edited* ( ISD Gallifreyan : Forum Rules 4, 5, 6, 7 could all apply )




And we intend to break your glasses again

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#78 - 2013-06-12 20:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Estella Osoka wrote:
EVE is harsh. Deal with it. Don't like it? Find another MMO, or just do what several people have suggested - get a gank Catalyst and blow the guy up.



Your response was one that should be targeted at someone that is actually crying in their post. This player actually came in and asked a legitimate question about etiquette without a single tear.


Humera Hekard wrote:
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
I'm new to EVE....blah, blah, blah, I am whiny and want to make isk without risk...


F**k you and excuse the rant/roidrage. EVE is a sandbox.

When I mine I am don't give a damn about if you are mining from a from a rock in space. My sole purpose is to gather as much resources as possible in a short a possible a time and if that means I am mining from the same rock as you, then go call the waaaaaaaaambulance or something. As far as I am concerned it is just PvP in another form (save the blatantly obvious one of shooting at other players).

Besides, have you paid your mining fee?


You both are idiots and need to break away from the forums. All you had to say is their is no etiquette in EVE and then tell them like Abrazzr did and tell them to get into a ship and fight for what they want. Although I understand the jaded nature of EVE O Forum posters, you two both need to learn how to foster an environment that will pull players like this into combat ships and fighting with you.

I stopped reading after my second quote as the most helpful answers were made on the first page and I can not deal with bitter vets that can not give out a helping hand when someone is truly not crying.

EDIT: Well maybe I should have kept reading as I just saw Humera Hekard's last post. I guess I should take a little dose of my own words Oops
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#79 - 2013-06-12 21:59:20 UTC
Everything you see is owned by CCP. Don't get rediculous notions of ownership now. That's preposterous! Pillage, burn and plunder at thine heart's content. Lamentation of the women and so forth. It is good manners to type GF after a truly enjoyable joust, and to be courteous to thine fellow capsuleer before reducing his 1b implants to cinders and aquire his assets.

*tips hat*
Cipher Deninard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-06-12 22:12:27 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
In eve, if you can grab it and hold on to it, it's yours, and its every man for himself. It's like musical chairs but everyone has a flamethrower.


That is an excellent summary xD