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To Federals, Regarding Heth

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Dahacai Laguz
Rust Creeps
#21 - 2013-06-12 07:04:24 UTC
I for one would push the guy down a flight of stairs just for what he did to Intaki Prime. Surely you haven't forgotten this, brother?
Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines
#22 - 2013-06-12 07:08:27 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
I respect your views Captain Saissore and I assure you that I am waiting with my railguns locked and loaded in Algogille. I have said as much and I am urging preparation. As much as you may pretend otherwise, internal Caldari affairs are a Federal matter all the more so because we are currently at war with them.

As for your concern about appearances it makes no difference to me if the State Executor Tibus Heth invades Federal space based on the 'appearance of a threat', he has a mood swing or he drinks too much Quafe in the morning. We are at War not at peace and if he comes we have to meet force with force, not sentiments of respect.

As for my sources, like everyone's they are sketchy at best and like most things from Caldari space... of dubious quality. What I am certain of though is that a large number of Caldari capital ships are massing in the Caldari Border Zone right now as we speak. Apparently from different factions but we can't know for sure. We all know the Caldari martial codes demand a resolution in combat, which is fine, if they direct it at each other.

But what if not? The Amarrians have an awful lot invested in Tibus Heth and have undoubtedly thought of taking advantage of the situation. Furthermore, all Caldari have been humiliated by the loss of the Shiigeru... their martial code demands revenge. How can you be so sure they won't rally to Heth's banner or whoever eventually replaces him? Instead of complacency and coddling our enemies sensitivities what is needed a real show of Gallentean resolve. You can't fight a war by just blocking someone else's punches all the time.

In a previous post I suggested that Tibus Heth take personal command next time he invades. Sometimes, just sometimes, we do get what we wish for...


The words you spout bear the venom of one who has seen loved ones fall, and I can respect that. Heth-Haan will be dealt with. Unless the CEP and or one of the Megacorporations allows the Federation or Agents of it into portions of the State a massed entrance of armed warships will be seen as a declaration of war. I may be just a soldier from a backwater colony, but I know that two of the first regions a Federation war fleet would go through would be Black Rise and Lonetrek. I consider both my home, and I refuse to see my home burn again.

Heth-Haan WILL be dealt with, but right now what ALL of the Empires need is a time of peace, tenuous though it may be, in order to rebuild and rest. Not needless war fueled by hate and bigotry. I've lost enough Clan members to those...I don't plan on losing any more...as Weitong-Haan said, we of the State can take emotion out of a situation without undo difficulty in the name of practicality and progress. Try and take the hate out of your hearts and see the millions of lives that would be lost through hasty action.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-06-12 07:18:38 UTC
Dahacai Laguz wrote:
I for one would push the guy down a flight of stairs just for what he did to Intaki Prime. Surely you haven't forgotten this, brother?

You're no sodding brother of mine, Dahacai.

But for your information, you have literally no idea how much I wanted to be the one to watch Heth die, but I realised peace and stability are more important than revenge. So much blood has already been spilt on Heth's account, and all he wants us to do is spill more of it. Personally, I think being politely obligated to drink a cup of poisoned tea is a death far more painless, honourable and dignified than Heth deserves, but at this point I honestly do not care if that hollow, soulless shell of a man lives or dies, as long as the Caldari bring him to justice and this pointless killing and fighting just stops.

"As long as justice is done and as long as peace can be made" - that is the Intaki way. That should be the Federal way, and we owe it to the rest of them to try and make it so.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Jarac Raasen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-06-12 07:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarac Raasen
I'm no fan of the State, and I want to see Heth brought to justice as much as the next Gallente/Intaki, but the Federation should stay out of this one. This is a Caldari affair. Us getting involved might make things worse and may even give Heth strength. Lest we forget our history, our meddling in Caldari internal affairs has never worked out well. I support the hands-off policy. If the State asks for our help though...Blink

Peace must be maintained, for all of our sakes.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-06-12 07:34:12 UTC
Oh, believe me, in the unlikely event that the State asks for our help, you can be as certain as stars are hot that I'll drop the largest, tankiest, most brutal ship they'll let me bring into the system on that bastard. I'm willing to wait for the Caldari to sort this out, but if they want us there, I wouldn't miss the chance to put some holes in a Provist ship for all the technetium in New Eden.

I've already specced out relevant battleship fittings for all four races that I can assemble and have in Haatomo on less than an hour's notice. I don't expect the CEP to ask for our presence but if they do, I'm ready, willing and able to deliver excessive force.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Jarac Raasen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-06-12 07:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarac Raasen
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Oh, believe me, in the unlikely event that the State asks for our help, you can be as certain as stars are hot that I'll drop the largest, tankiest, most brutal ship they'll let me bring into the system on that bastard. I'm willing to wait for the Caldari to sort this out, but if they want us there, I wouldn't miss the chance to put some holes in a Provist ship for all the technetium in New Eden.

I've already specced out relevant battleship fittings for all four races that I can assemble and have in Haatomo on less than an hour's notice. I don't expect the CEP to ask for our presence but if they do, I'm ready, willing and able to deliver excessive force.


Yes, the gloves would definitely come off at that point. I would personally like to take the bastard alive so he can stand trial for his crimes, but him being dead is just as good. If the State ever asked for our help, I would like to respresent the Federation. Talk to them first before we just go flying in and causing worry throughout the State. Less confusion and mess that way. We must always have contingencies.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-06-12 07:49:01 UTC
Yes, contingencies are good. Always have several.

Right now, though, the vast majority of Federal contingency planning should be of the "stop the crazy, desperate bastard with very little to lose from wrecking something in our territory" variety.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#28 - 2013-06-12 09:51:23 UTC
A surprisingly sane notion, and one easy to agree.
Do not meddle in other nations' domestic affairs.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-06-12 10:14:57 UTC
I did not expect Mr. Ixiris to have taken such a position on the matter. Quite impressed.

Though it is a difficult situation, I am confident the abilities of the CEP and Navy.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-12 10:55:08 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
A surprisingly sane notion, and one easy to agree.
Do not meddle in other nations' domestic affairs.

Glad you agree.

Just so you know, though, if he does cross over into Federal territory, all the CEP directives in the world aren't going to stop us - and me in particular - from tearing that bastard a new gaandu, and doing the same to anyone who stands in our way.

Then again, I have a strong feeling that at this point there's very few CEP loyalists who would be particularly broken up about that.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#31 - 2013-06-12 11:43:46 UTC
As much as I would like to see Tibus Heth injected with Foiritan's magic cocktail and then sing him the song of our people, he is the Caldari's dirty laundry, in Caldari space, and they should do their own dirty laundry themselves.

Now, if (and it is a big if) he actually makes it off that station alive and does not either decide to (a) stick a gauss pistol in his mouth and paint the deckplates, or (b) go down with guns blazing against his own people, then we in Federation should be concerned about where he goes and what he does.

Unless Heth crosses the Federation borders (and then he is fair game) then Heth is a Caldari problem.

It will be interesting to see how many of his Provist cronies and goons go down with them, and what they will do if dear leader decides to fall on his sword.

I should have hauled in more popcorn on my last frieght run.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
#32 - 2013-06-12 11:44:13 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:

If you cannot see that, then ask yourself the question: would you want the Caldari, the Amarr, or the Minmatar deciding they knew how best to handle a Gallente issue in Gallente space?"

The Battle in Colelie showed us the answer to that.

A wise move from Pilot Ixiris not to encourage double standards.

CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies Personal Biography

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#33 - 2013-06-12 11:50:32 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I'm not prominent but I'll say what I said before. If you REALLY wanna help, get guns and ships to Luminaire or the Border and STAY on the Federation's side of it.


Sound advice. I am a little take up right now but I'll get around to it as soon as I can.

Anslo wrote:
Because Heth's bullshit doesn't reflect the State's true feelings. If you can't differentiate that then we're doomed to repeat our past mistakes.


I disagree. The State has made it quite clear what they think over the last few years. Heth may be the most extreme version of that opinion, but don't kid yourself into thinking he is the only one. Peace is impossible so long as he is around, but by the looks of things that problem will be over with soon enough. After that, we will see.

Regardless, I have made my views on this clear to you elsewhere.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#34 - 2013-06-12 12:08:07 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

Glad you agree.

Just so you know, though, if he does cross over into Federal territory, all the CEP directives in the world aren't going to stop us - and me in particular - from tearing that bastard a new gaandu, and doing the same to anyone who stands in our way.

Then again, I have a strong feeling that at this point there's very few CEP loyalists who would be particularly broken up about that.


If he manages to cross the border without CEP support, then it's not hard to argue that this not a domestic affair anymore.
Until that happens, the only authority that should deal with this problem are those of the State.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#35 - 2013-06-12 12:38:16 UTC
Okay, I'll be good.
Anslo
Scope Works
#36 - 2013-06-12 12:46:21 UTC
I've moved a hurricane over to Algolile and may be moving more ships over. If you want to help the State as a Federal citizen, bring ships to the border and STAY on the border. Bring either high damage vessel, capacitor nullification vessels, interdiction vessels (webs, scrams, etc, no bubbles in Empire space), or logistics ships. Gods on High know we'd need logistics ships...

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Jarac Raasen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-06-12 12:50:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarac Raasen
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Yes, contingencies are good. Always have several.

Right now, though, the vast majority of Federal contingency planning should be of the "stop the crazy, desperate bastard with very little to lose from wrecking something in our territory" variety.


And that can be done. Arm the border regions, especially Gallente Prime and my own people's world of Intaki Prime; heck, all of our homeworlds should watch themselves. We don't want to look like we're gonna invade the Caldari, but we do have a right to prepare ourselves in-case of attack. Surely the State can understand that.
Anslo
Scope Works
#38 - 2013-06-12 13:19:37 UTC
Jarac Raasen wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Yes, contingencies are good. Always have several.

Right now, though, the vast majority of Federal contingency planning should be of the "stop the crazy, desperate bastard with very little to lose from wrecking something in our territory" variety.


And that can be done. Arm the border regions, especially Gallente Prime and my own people's world of Intaki Prime; heck, all of our homeworlds should watch themselves. We don't want to look like we're gonna invade the Caldari, but we do have a right to prepare ourselves in-case of attack. Surely the State can understand that.


As long as we're NOT crossing borders and not interfering with them within their borders (unless they ask us), the State probably won't care. They just wanna clean their house in their own way and we oughta be obliged to let them.

What happens in the coming days and weeks may very well redefine our relationship with the State. Not everyone gets a second chance, so let's not blow ours sky high by jumpin' the gun.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-06-12 13:40:59 UTC
My goodness, our enemies mass a fleet on our border, their leader declares his intention to invade... I suggest that this is more than sufficient provocation for a call-to-arms and... all the jesters come out!!

It's a good thing I am usually pod-bound as I'm not sure how I'd react to hearing another Gallente say "enough blood has been spilt"... Hardly. There is considerably more to be spilt and I'd strongly reccomend it be someone else's and not your own!

The second best Gallente joke is "we need to give them space to resolve their internal affairs." Why pray tell me? Because of the way the Caldari gave the Federation "space" in the resolution of a sovereignty issue in Luminaire? There is an old, old saying, origin unknown... "there can only be peace among equals"... There is no respect granted to those who do not use force to ensure it.

My third favorite is that 'it could lead to a declaration of war'! This one is unbelievable. I sincerely think some of you are permanently locked in a warp bubble of some sort and are completely oblivious to current events. War is upon you whether you 'declare' it or not.

Of course the one joke that almost caused my clone to malfunction was most certainly a Caldari one... "we'll take care of this"...!! I laughed so hard my bodily sensors triggered an alert and I almost disconnected and returned to the clone vat! My Dear Caldari cousins... you caused this!! Like the Shiigeru, WE will take care of this!

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Anslo
Scope Works
#40 - 2013-06-12 13:43:07 UTC
So basically Sorjat, you're just trying to stir the pot and get people upset like Steff. So it's safe to ignore you? Cool.

Last word of advice to you though? I don't suggest crossing the border unless you want shot....oh, same goes with shooting non-Heth Caldari ships in our space (if they have to enter). Pretty sure a few Fed citizen's might not take too kindly to that.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]