Missions & Complexes

I am confused on the comments regarding downtime. Downtime really doesn't effect anything most of the time. The unfinished sites are still going to presist through downtime and since sites are no longer gaurnteed to be generated after downtime that begs the question as to how does downtime matter at all? The only time downtime is going to come into play is when a site is going to despawn naturually due to age.

Really hope the despawn mechanic gets changed rather quickly, as it stands now exploration is pretty much dead for me. Of the sites I found today there were only a few fresh ones.

Realistaclly when people realize that they should be finishing the sites, are they really going to do it? I sure ain't. Why would I despawn a site that potentially doesn't even benefit me? It is just a waste of time and ill leave a dead site for someone else to get fruhstrated with.

without cargo scanning you could completely remove data sites, because 98% of all cans in find in those sites dont contain anything but worthless stuff. From 10 data sites I cargo scan, there are maybe 1-2 cans worth hacking at all - if I couldnt cargo scan I wouldnt even bother showing up there at all.

Well, I've hacked a site. I got all containers which I wanted, and then I've went away in hope that it'll de-spawn. It did not, even after an hour when I was coming back down the pipe. I've found the same signals (I'm writing signals down, so I don't need to re-scan same signals). When I came in system, I've seen the same signal name which was odd to me. Luckily for me, I've saved few of those locations and guess what: they sites did not de-spawn, and it was totally same site. Well, then I've read the patch notes and have proceed to cause a de-spawn by destroying all the cans which I've left before.

I have no clue how did that happen or not, and I'm not sure when did you test it out. But after yesterdays patch, the sites don't de-spawn if you don't access\destroy all the cans.

Yes well maybe you just have to miss out on it then. I mean if CCP hadn't made this strange system with the different containers the way they have (who picks up scrap cans anyway), we wouldn't have this 'problem'.

I am pretty sure CCP can make it so that the sig doesn't disappear when you open a can, but that the despawn timer is triggered - as it used to be - i haven't checked, but maybe it is like that now. The problem (i guess not for the bears) was that the sig would vanish, even if the site was still there.

Now if the site stays after the 'valuable' cans are hacked, i guess that should be investigated. Some of course will like it as a way of trolling, some hate it because sites clutter up their area, and the majority will be ignorant of it. [If anyone has explored angel lowsec some 2 years ago or so - idk if it's fixed - you should have come across a similar situation with the ded 5/10s there]

But yeah idk. Either we need to wait a bit until things even out again, or the prof sites should be looked at again. IMO theres something not right when tiny little frigs can farm sites in nullsec - or this is intended and the market will force a new equilibrium.

Full of half-empy sites now...
Takes so much of the excitement away.

I am having similar thoughts. I think I will just go back to what I was doing pre odyssey with these changes in place. Guess it is best just to go back to farming DEDs and just ignore the data and relic sites once again.

It changes the nameplates to a series so you can estimate a probability that sites have been cherry picked, "some of the time". Similar strategy was helpful for finding ded3s with DSPs (no longer relevant), due to all the k162s on the same band.

today scaned over 20 data and relic sites, and all unfinished, this is end of exploration That killed the whole point odyssey patch, thanks ccp. It is time to look for another fun

Can we please get an official response on this?
It's bad enough with prices crashing (as expected)... but every damn site I find is unfinished.

Oddysey expansion: Better go back to grinding lvl4s.

I find the lack of solutions disturbing. No clue how was the system created, but since you had "timed demolition" (as soon as someone has opened the first container) before and now have "controlled demolition" (all containers have to be exploded or accessed), what is the problem to combine both in one?

I think that you should create a timer (de-spawn rate) as soon as first container is opened (e.g. 20 minutes). In that time interval the explorer has to solve the puzzles (or hack containers). If he does not, well *BOOM*. I can see how someone will whine about the solution since they usually cloak-up while someone comes in a system, but hey ... I think it does have some logic to it. Some kind of protocol which sends all other containers about some kind of unauthorized access, hence starting the self-destruct sequence.

In case he clears the containers (hacks or destroys them) then proceed with deleting the timer which was started as soon as he has opened the first container. Remove site from the system. Destroy containers.