Market Discussions

Remove scrolly wheeling? am I reading this right?

I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if ccp did create something like this..

So basically default would always bid 0,1% increments, and always default choose the entire stack.

Same when buying always default buy the whole stack, or 1 (change to ALL in settings?)

When highlighting (ctrl clicking on existing market orders they would "stack" them to the number in buying?)

With some small tweaks like this maybe some more "sense" would come to the price finding and bidding wars.

Abstruse.. Well I guess I am often guilty of that..


In this case I think I was fairly clear though, for a change..

The suggest feature is one of those epic small tweaks with potential huge outcomes..

I suggested to use 0.1% instead of 0.01 isk, precisely to give an advantage to the people willing to get away from the microbid wars, and 0.1% is still a rather extremely low bid change.

The default stack sizes would also be very useful..

So a rather small amount of dev hours could bring some very nice tweaks to this.


While they got the belly of the beast open changing the Contracts "base value" to Avg value would really be a BIG game changer to.. The basic value is meaningless now that the sandbox economy is more liberated..

The Remember Settings check box (in the Advanced Buy/Sell Order window), could also remember the last stack size, and use that subsequently as the default value (as you may have suggested above).

About the 0.1% change instead of ISK 0.01, not sure how I feel about it. I am quite sure that ISK 0.01 would have wide and immediate acceptance, whereas you'd need a bit of convincing for the % change.

OP on crack or something?
Since when is it valid to request a feature that would simplify your gameplay to a point when you dont need to think anymore?
What next? Activate shields the moment ppl lock you? Cuz in 99% you will do it anyway..maybe let the game calculate who will win in an engagment alone? How about the game will auto-align you to the sun when you hit hull? 99% would do it..

I think you got the point, the game shouldnt make your choises for you...

Idd, the game atm shows a number, the one that is lesser of evil.
It by no mean should "push" you in the right direction, the number atm shows a "fact" - regional average, no?

Practicaly:
For sell orders it is useless, since most players would ruther sell the item to the higher buy order instead of creating an actual sell order.
For buy orders its meaningless as well since many dont .01 but rather put an order somewhere on the items "cicle".
Add to that the fact that you reduce players mistakes like "damn i now have a sell order at .01 isk higher then the highest buy order", an error we all love to take advantage on

So i think you suggestion is cool, it sounds as though it would simplify traders job, but it will drasticly change fundumental market situations and has more evil in it then good.

EDIT: lets just leave it blank :)

Your argument above is irrefutable, thus I withdraw my suggestion.

The game should never push you in any direction, thus I'm now happy with whatever price the game wants to show.

The HFT in EVE is the culmination of humans bidding. A tinfoil hat would bring in the alleged market bots, but its irrelevant in the context. HFT is what happens when 2000 people are bidding and competing in a patty cake market..

The problem with this behavior is that there is nothing to discourage it. The price/cost of trade is the same whether your trading in huge volumes or small ones. This would not be a problem if we did not have the current market order limitation, since players would find ways to optimize and utilize the bidding wars to their advantage. The problem is that the playing field has been forcefully levelled by cpp mechanics. So effectively the big bulk market gets pushed out and the micro trade dominates. This is because EVE have a mixed market of exchange and retail, which is somewhat detrimental to pricefinding and market efficiency.

Jita is maybe the only market that can be said to actually "work".. the remaining situation in EVE is that there are practically no market saturation (coverage of items at real prices)..

The reason for these things is all about how manhours of traders are used. Right now most of it is used on microbidding wars in Jita and in the 4 other hubs. Being limited in number of contracts and market orders traders are forced to only cover markets that they prioritize as relevant. There is no way to support trading the less active items. This means all items that arent super volume movers are only traded in Jita, and to some extend the other hubs.

The instant gratification and short term thinking dominates the economy, and is creating a huge amount of passive and dead assets. This is not in itself a problem, the problem is in that its not an invisible hand but a forced one by ccp features and limitations.

This is why a feature like the suggested helps this on a small scale by reducing wasted time on 0.01 patty cake bids on practically everything.

Ideally what ccp should do to fix / tweak market is remove the market order and contracts limitation, and change the skills to a reduction in cost. the cost should be made dynamic like office rent and flipped so broker fee go up and tax goes down with frequency, and reverse in low activity stations/systems.

Such changes would "heal" the markets that are currently not very efficient, and improve game play for all not just traders.

Well in Jita the price would be near perfect.. So he would check the trend line to see if he should hold, or sell to the current buy order. Since the margin would be pretty narrow.

So I dont understand the "average" player argument.. The market healing is for his optimal benefit..

If he wants to get into trading he will start somewhere outside Jita with less competition..

Unless he is fine with risking a lot of isk and microbid warring on Jitas Exchange market. Though he would risk loosing out fast due to brokerage fees and taxation if his volumes are to small.

This would mean he would invest in player created "portfolios" if he wanted speculations directly related to Jita..

The simplest way to make isk as a trader is find out where people are and "mirror" Jita markets price with a slight profit for themselves. This is called SERVICE, and will potentially make these average players and new players a lot better profit margins..