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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#501 - 2013-06-12 09:33:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Cat Murdoch wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I love how that's from the utterly reliable and definitely doesn't have an agenda publication, the Huffington Post. Yeah, they're to be trusted, especially when the article literally sites one source, and not for any of the stats they put out. /sarcasm

Said source being the head of the Crown Prosecution Service, and the figures being taken from a government publication of data compiled by the UK police and Home Office. You reckon they made it all up?


I reckon, that not a single one of those stats in that article is backed up by any kind of citation, the kind that actual published studies require (to make sure you aren't bullshitting) before they even allow it to cross an editor's desk.

I reckon, that the only link to any factual proof is of a single incident of a woman being pressed to drop an allegation, in Southwark. One incident does not a pattern make.

I reckon that it's possible they are just spouting nonsense. That possibility makes it suspect. Even Wikipedia cites their sources, which makes that link above a less credible source than Wikipedia. Hate to quote Tom Cruise here, but show me the money. The money in this instance, being proof. Even a shred of it, to show that this whole "virtually all **** allegations are real" narrative. Or better yet, even a shred of proof about the ludicrous "1 in 4" baloney.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#502 - 2013-06-12 09:35:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Elliavir wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yes, because that part was nonsense. The entire exchange happened over the course of about 90 seconds. Idk about you, but at that point I'd be checking to see if I had enough ammo left, enough paste and what to apply it to, etc, rather than white knighting for another adult human being who should be perfectly capable of defending herself and making her position clear. I tend to err on the side of self sufficiency. [Edit: Also, assuming that a woman needs a man to stand up for her because she can't defend herself, is pretty sexist of you. That's equality for you..


If you can't stand up for your corpmates/guildmates - you are useless, no matter how quickly you reload that ammo. It's not about needing a man to stand up, it's about the watching out for your friends. I don't stand by while people in my raid or fleet (or whatever grouping a given game supports) harass someone over their age, nationality, religion, gender, race, whatever. And I've certainly seen more than just sexist crap in chat - I just figure that a "cut it out, Player X, that crap ain't cool" coming from someone who is not a target carries some additional weight.

And she did stand up for herself - and you bitched her out for not standing up in some gentle, kind way that gave the miscreants a chance to see the error of their ways. Because the poor things just had no idea, of course.

You see it as 'avoiding white knighting'. I see it as valuing your own comfort to the point of being kind of spineless. I doubt very much we are going to come to any sort of agreement. So you go off and keep flying silently and check that ammo, and I'll keep giving up the 3 seconds it takes to type something in a chat box.


Who said I don't stand up for my corp mates?


You did. You yourself said that when members of your corp were harrassed out of your corp, you took the side of the harrassers because there were more of them.


"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#503 - 2013-06-12 09:38:40 UTC
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You did. You yourself said that when members of your corp were harrassed out of your corp, you took the side of the harrassers because there were more of them.


Tut, tut. Guild, not corp, first of all. That was in WoW. (or do I misunderstand you, and you are referring to any of the myriad of theoretical examples I've given thus far?)

And what I said was, that when a recently recruited member of my guild started playing the "He said the B-word! Sexist! I want him out of this raid group, I won't raid with him!!!" card, and proceeded to tear my guild apart by starting up as much divisive crap as humanly possible, that I removed her and several other key instigators and adherents of drama.

I don't tolerate drama. I also don't give special treatment if the source of that drama is a female. If you start ****, you're gone. I tend to not care why.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#504 - 2013-06-12 09:50:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I love how that's from the utterly reliable and definitely doesn't have an agenda publication, the Huffington Post. Yeah, they're to be trusted, especially when the article literally sites one source, and not for any of the stats they put out. /sarcasm

Here's a real one, by an actual criminology publication.

http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/15/

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Twenty-seven percent (27%) of these complainants admitted they had fabricated their accusation just before taking the polygraph or right after they failed the test


Granted, this is the United States in my article, but at least it's a bit more reliable than an op-ed piece in a far left wing E-magazine column. Note the sources cited in mine, just like a real study and such.

The only reason that statistic could be true is because of how hard it is to prove **** in the United States. You practically have to have fresh semen in a cup, and an eye witness to be put away for it. Anyways this isn't the point of it. The point like it or not is that women don't like to be sexually harassed in any setting. Just because you think they should look the other way or toughen up on the issue is your opinion. It doesn't mean it works that way in the real world or interactions to the real world from the virtual one. Maybe when you have a daughter, sister, or take some time to think about your mother. You will understand why others don't put up with it and shouldn't have to.

Something clever
Cat Murdoch
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#505 - 2013-06-12 09:51:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Murdoch
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I reckon that it's possible they are just spouting nonsense. That possibility makes it suspect. Even Wikipedia cites their sources, which makes that link above a less credible source than Wikipedia. Hate to quote Tom Cruise here, but show me the money.

Heh... as soon as I posted that response, I just knew someone would say something like that. So I edited my post to add the following - sorry I didn't get it in before you read and responded to the original:

Cat Murdoch wrote:
The Huffington Post article clearly referred to the source of the figures being quoted by Keir Starmer, head of the CPS. Didn't take more than a few seconds to Google it (the link below is to the Overview, and contains a link to a PDF version, along with the data tables):

http://www.justice.gov.uk/statistics/criminal-justice/sexual-offending-statistics


The Huffington Post article is a news article, and those rarely require detailed lists of references, or peer review before publication. However I wouldn't have cited it if I hadn't verified that it wasn't just making the story up. And I'd suggest that the head of the Crown Prosecution Service for England and Wales might know what he's talking about, and have better things to do than make up numbers just for the Huffington Post, when said numbers can be verified by referring to the government data he's talking about.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#506 - 2013-06-12 09:57:12 UTC
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The only reason that statistic could be true is because of how hard it is to prove **** in the United States. You practically have to have fresh semen in a cup, and an eye witness to be put away for it. Anyways this isn't the point of it. The point like it or not is that women don't like to be sexually harassed in any setting. Just because you think they should look the other way or toughen up on the issue is your opinion. It doesn't mean it works that way in the real world or interactions to the real world from the virtual one. Maybe when you have a daughter, sister, or take some time to think about your mother. You will understand why others don't put up with it and shouldn't have to.


I'm not completely sure what you're getting at with that statement. It's "hard" to prove **** in the U.S.? Not hard enough. Here, I'll quote the article again. Important part is bolded.
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Although it may not be "politically correct" to question the veracity of a women's complaint of ****, failing to consider the accuser may be intentionally lying effectively eradicates the presumption of innocence. This Constitutional right is especially significant when dealing with allegations of **** as in most jurisdictions, sex offenses are the only crimes that do not require corroborating evidence for conviction.


I have a daughter. Were my daughter ever assaulted, I truly doubt that having innocent people in prison because the justice system works the wrong way, will be of any comfort. Blackstone's ratio, and all that.

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lady Areola Fappington
#507 - 2013-06-12 10:15:13 UTC
Personally, I'd like some lean, muscular 20something gentlemen in EVE. You know, sixpack, oiled up, wearing a tight thong and little else....that's my preferred demographic to have around.

Lets go CCP, please add some features and such that would make EVE more attractive to the male stripper segment of society.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Cat Murdoch
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#508 - 2013-06-12 10:20:46 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
You did. You yourself said that when members of your corp were harrassed out of your corp, you took the side of the harrassers because there were more of them.


Tut, tut. Guild, not corp, first of all. That was in WoW. (or do I misunderstand you, and you are referring to any of the myriad of theoretical examples I've given thus far?)

I'm pretty sure they're referring to your assertion that if two new people in your corp complained about the behaviour of eight existing people, you'd side with the existing crew, because there are more of them, and they've been around longer (or something along those lines). No question of making any judgement about the appropriateness of their behaviour, or whether they should be asked to tone things down. Dear me no - newcomers should tough up, take whatever crap is meted out to them, or GTFO. Though, given the way you've categorised things women say as "snarky", "hystrionic", etc, I rather suspect that if a new *man* in your corp spoke up about stuff others were saying or doing, you'd be more inclined to listen. I think you've got women labelled before they ever get as far as saying or doing anything.
Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#509 - 2013-06-12 10:27:48 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
It's not something that traditionally appeals to women, there's a stigma attached as well as the fact that there's not much character customisation after the creation screen.

if you want more women to play this game, you need avatar interaction within stations and vanity items for them.

Sad but true :(


Being a female gamer I support this idea P I do love playing with character creation, not just hair and make up but the whole works. I like the game though and have played it with my husband on and off since it launched. I know a few other females who play but most I know don't like sci fi that much. More out of pod gameplay would help though but not sure how much.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#510 - 2013-06-12 10:29:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
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I'm pretty sure they're referring to your assertion that if two new people in your corp complained about the behaviour of eight existing people, you'd side with the existing crew, because there are more of them, and they've been around longer (or something along those lines). No question of making any judgement about the appropriateness of their behaviour, or whether they should be asked to tone things down. Dear me no - newcomers should tough up, take whatever crap is meted out to them, or GTFO. Though, given the way you've categorised things women say as "snarky", "hystrionic", etc, I rather suspect that if a new *man* in your corp spoke up about stuff others were saying or doing, you'd be more inclined to listen. I think you've got women labelled before they ever get as far as saying or doing anything.


Ah, in that case I misunderstood Malcanis' tone of that. Seemed to me as though he was referring to something I'd actually done, past tense, already happened. I stand corrected in regards to that statement.

In which case...

First of all, saying the statements made are snarky, or histrionic, does not quantify people. It applies to their statement, and that is how it was worded. Here is an example. Telling someone that they said something stupid, does not equal calling them stupid. A critique is not a personal attack.

Secondly, telling me some nonsense about taking my wife to a restaurant where the waiters are making suggestive comments, is not only entirely off base from the conversation at hand, but also complete hyperbole.

So I really don't see how, in any way, those words fail to apply.

As to the rest, I will not restate myself again, but refer to my previous posts about entering a social setting as an outsider. You don't join a group and then jump down people's throats. That's just not done, and if you do it, expect to be met with hostility. It's the natural reaction.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Shedemei Silfar
Miskatonic Mercantile
#511 - 2013-06-13 03:47:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


As to the rest, I will not restate myself again, but refer to my previous posts about entering a social setting as an outsider. You don't join a group and then jump down people's throats. That's just not done, and if you do it, expect to be met with hostility. It's the natural reaction.


I think the point is that when we enter a voice comm in a game we don't expect to BE an outsider. Why should we? I came here to blow up spaceships too. Your own terminology gives you away. I was actually really surprised to find way more racism and misogyny in EvE, which obviously contains a highly intelligent population - than in WoW for instance, or even AC Darktide, which had similar gender ratios. I really expected less. I have worked and played in heavily male-dominated areas all my life, have several close male friends, and I haven't seen this level of female objectifying "boys club" chatter in years.

Since we are all people from different cultures here... I do expect that I will run across social norms that are somewhat different. I therefore try to be considerate of that regardless of whether I go into their channel or they come into mine. I wouldn't, for instance, go into a room and make racist slurs disguised as jokes or some stereotypical comment about how every chinese dude in an MMO is a gold farmer and all botters are russian.

I have to wonder if this is really about what people tend to do when they don't have the face-to-face accountability, i think. I probably would be just as disappointed in game in which the gender proportions were reversed.

Either way... this will change effectively only from the ground (corp level) up, not really by CCP attempting to police and censor comms. On the other hand, outright threats, stalking(by either gender) and ridiculously discriminatory statements directed specifically at someone in chat channels should be dealt with by CCP through a report abuse process.
Cat Murdoch
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#512 - 2013-06-13 05:02:51 UTC
Shedemei Silfar wrote:
I think the point is that when we enter a voice comm in a game we don't expect to BE an outsider. Why should we? I came here to blow up spaceships too. Your own terminology gives you away. I was actually really surprised to find way more racism and misogyny in EvE, which obviously contains a highly intelligent population - than in WoW for instance, or even AC Darktide, which had similar gender ratios. I really expected less. I have worked and played in heavily male-dominated areas all my life, have several close male friends, and I haven't seen this level of female objectifying "boys club" chatter in years.

Since we are all people from different cultures here... I do expect that I will run across social norms that are somewhat different. I therefore try to be considerate of that regardless of whether I go into their channel or they come into mine. I wouldn't, for instance, go into a room and make racist slurs disguised as jokes or some stereotypical comment about how every chinese dude in an MMO is a gold farmer and all botters are russian.

I have to wonder if this is really about what people tend to do when they don't have the face-to-face accountability, i think. I probably would be just as disappointed in game in which the gender proportions were reversed.

Either way... this will change effectively only from the ground (corp level) up, not really by CCP attempting to police and censor comms. On the other hand, outright threats, stalking(by either gender) and ridiculously discriminatory statements directed specifically at someone in chat channels should be dealt with by CCP through a report abuse process.

This. This. THIS.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#513 - 2013-06-13 05:40:36 UTC

I think it's fitting that Eve's only known honest isk doubler is female.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#514 - 2013-06-13 05:45:06 UTC
Today i heard an..interesting story.
Obviously because this happened to someone else i will be very vague on details, but it makes me wonder if there is a new "trend" happening right now after the...recent drama and attention brought to female players, since i can honestly say i have never heard about or encountered something at this scale before.

Female gamer, decently sized alliance. I have no idea what lead this on, but comments and mails that were shown were...beyond disrespectful.
Of course different alliances will use anything to smack talk, and get to the other side. Thats just how it is, and thats what i thought was going on until i realized that this was her own alliance members saying all this and sending her mails.
And that got to me! The comments were extremely bad, and the mail was despicable and, no matter what this person might have done, it crossed the line.
She left the alliance, but what surprises me is that in a decently sized alliance, possibly with other female players right there witnessing this, no one said "Hey thats enough! This has gone beyond friendly banter!".

The whole thing made me rather concerned to be honest. Hearing about one or two people in a group that does this? Sure. Hearing about someone outside the corp or alliance doing it? Of course!
But having ones own alliance and corp members gang up on someone, and to add insult to injury dragging personal real life stuff into it? What on earth is going on?!

Of course i dont know if this girl "had it coming", but honestly if she had done something that was bad enough to warrant (hope im using the right word here) this behavior it should have been brought up to someone higher up in the alliance. For me that seems like common sense and thats most likely why im so shocked over the whole thing.

Thus, is it possible that right now its considered "cool" to "hate" on female players because of the recent events, or is it possible that more people have evolved a mindset that says "all female gamers are the same" based on what they have been told about about recent events (which im sure brought up more stories about similar things)?

Please note that i dont think that male players should always step in and stop behavior like this (most of us are big girls that can take care of our self's) but when its at this scale there should at least have been made attempts to stop it, or am i completely wrong for thinking that?

But it also leads to another question...
I cant know if there were other females around that witnessed these events, but im assuming there was. Has it now become so bad and females tries so hard to fit in that they dont dare to speak up when this happens out of fear of being targeted them self as well?
If the last one is the case... I cant see any way around it, and i worry that if this is more then just the "latest trend" it will only escalate and become even worse, and female players will either just start forming their own corps (which will make the situation even worse, look at all the rage WGOE has gotten over the years), stay solo, quit playing, or adapt and participate in openly harassing other females in order to get respected within their corp/alliance.

It is also possible that i have just never encountered something like this because we have very strict rules around female harassment and we dont join alliances that does not follow the same guidelines. But if that is the case, why on earth dont more alliances that know that they have female members set up rules around this, knowing that most male players would respect and tolerate it? Sure they might still feel the same way as they do now, but they wont go after a girl in public and humiliate her in front of her corp members and friends.

Sorry for the long post but been spending a few hours thinking about this, and i wanted to do my best to put my thoughts into words and have it make sense Lol

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#515 - 2013-06-13 07:08:01 UTC
Quote:
I think the point is that when we enter a voice comm in a game we don't expect to BE an outsider. Why should we?


Numbers. 4 in 100 of the people you encounter in this game are female. With a lot of male players, it's not something they're used to encountering in the context of the game.

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Your own terminology gives you away


I'll bite the hook on this one, I suppose. What terminology?

Quote:
Since we are all people from different cultures here... I do expect that I will run across social norms that are somewhat different. I therefore try to be considerate of that regardless of whether I go into their channel or they come into mine


You do. Doesn't mean everyone does, male, female, or martian, some people hop on comms or chat and try to start ****. It's those people I object to. Male, female, or martian, if you start drama, you're no longer on my good side. But then, we are talking about women in the context of this thread, thus most of my statements and examples thus far have been directed in regards to female players.

Quote:
I have to wonder if this is really about what people tend to do when they don't have the face-to-face accountability, i think. I probably would be just as disappointed in game in which the gender proportions were reversed.


Yes. The reality of the situation is that the overall tone and level of discourse on the Internet is different than in face to face interaction. That's just how it goes. As to the second sentence, as would I. I've worked (the insurance industry is about 80% female-bias upper management) and gamed in female dominated environments, and I find it quite distasteful.

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Either way... this will change effectively only from the ground (corp level) up, not really by CCP attempting to police and censor comms. On the other hand, outright threats, stalking(by either gender) and ridiculously discriminatory statements directed specifically at someone in chat channels should be dealt with by CCP through a report abuse process.


I've been saying this for a while now. Back when I was arguing with what's-her-name, about what features, if any, should be implemented to change the game to be more suitable for females. The entire point is that such a concept is irrelevant. EVE appeals to, who it appeals to. The people who want to play the game, will play it. Player retention should be the focus instead.

And, particularly the point about overt personal attacks. Specifically directed attacks are reportable, do so. I have no issues with this. But coming into a conversation in the middle, then saying you're offended and that it has to stop because it offended you, when nothing was directed at you to begin with, is just you censoring other people to pad your own level of comfort. That, is not appropriate.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#516 - 2013-06-13 07:31:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Menda
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Today i heard an..interesting story.
Obviously because this happened to someone else i will be very vague on details, but it makes me wonder if there is a new "trend" happening right now after the...recent drama and attention brought to female players, since i can honestly say i have never heard about or encountered something at this scale before.

Female gamer, decently sized alliance. I have no idea what lead this on, but comments and mails that were shown were...beyond disrespectful.
Of course different alliances will use anything to smack talk, and get to the other side. Thats just how it is, and thats what i thought was going on until i realized that this was her own alliance members saying all this and sending her mails.
And that got to me! The comments were extremely bad, and the mail was despicable and, no matter what this person might have done, it crossed the line.
She left the alliance, but what surprises me is that in a decently sized alliance, possibly with other female players right there witnessing this, no one said "Hey thats enough! This has gone beyond friendly banter!".

The whole thing made me rather concerned to be honest. Hearing about one or two people in a group that does this? Sure. Hearing about someone outside the corp or alliance doing it? Of course!
But having ones own alliance and corp members gang up on someone, and to add insult to injury dragging personal real life stuff into it? What on earth is going on?!

Of course i dont know if this girl "had it coming", but honestly if she had done something that was bad enough to warrant (hope im using the right word here) this behavior it should have been brought up to someone higher up in the alliance. For me that seems like common sense and thats most likely why im so shocked over the whole thing.

Thus, is it possible that right now its considered "cool" to "hate" on female players because of the recent events, or is it possible that more people have evolved a mindset that says "all female gamers are the same" based on what they have been told about about recent events (which im sure brought up more stories about similar things)?

Please note that i dont think that male players should always step in and stop behavior like this (most of us are big girls that can take care of our self's) but when its at this scale there should at least have been made attempts to stop it, or am i completely wrong for thinking that?

But it also leads to another question...
I cant know if there were other females around that witnessed these events, but im assuming there was. Has it now become so bad and females tries so hard to fit in that they dont dare to speak up when this happens out of fear of being targeted them self as well?
If the last one is the case... I cant see any way around it, and i worry that if this is more then just the "latest trend" it will only escalate and become even worse, and female players will either just start forming their own corps (which will make the situation even worse, look at all the rage WGOE has gotten over the years), stay solo, quit playing, or adapt and participate in openly harassing other females in order to get respected within their corp/alliance.

It is also possible that i have just never encountered something like this because we have very strict rules around female harassment and we dont join alliances that does not follow the same guidelines. But if that is the case, why on earth dont more alliances that know that they have female members set up rules around this, knowing that most male players would respect and tolerate it? Sure they might still feel the same way as they do now, but they wont go after a girl in public and humiliate her in front of her corp members and friends.

Sorry for the long post but been spending a few hours thinking about this, and i wanted to do my best to put my thoughts into words and have it make sense Lol



All I will say here (and this is NOT because I'm in the same corp as NightCrawler):


More corporations/alliances should at least consider making rules about personal attacks on their members.
Sure, some occasional banter on someone is fine, but we are all grown ups (or at least I hope) that play a game. YOU should know when you are about to cross a line.

The things I've heard in the past thrown at others in the alliances I've been in (both male AND female) were off the chart and a clear no go. And each and every single time I stepped up and made sure it would stop there.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy
Miranda Fluffbunny
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#517 - 2013-06-13 08:27:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Miranda Fluffbunny
Xeraphi wrote:
Fix Loc wrote:
I've found that most male gamers are not sexist, but they tend to not mind when other men are being sexist. So when you're a girl in that situation, you feel really alone.


Incursion today, names changed to RANDOMMALE# to protect the guilty.
This was after I'd spoken on comms btw:


I know the tune. From an npc chatlog:


[ 2013.05.08 09:28:15 ] Jerk #1 > been married for 13 years and wondering what the sentance is for murder
[ 2013.05.08 09:28:24 ] Jerk #1 > *sentence
[ 2013.05.08 09:28:34 ] Bozo #2 > use slow poisoning
[ 2013.05.08 09:28:45 ] Jerk #1 > lol..good idea
[ 2013.05.08 09:29:01 ] Bozo #2 > polonium seems quite effective btw
[ 2013.05.08 09:29:33 ] Jerk #1 > can you buy that from the chemist?
[ 2013.05.08 09:29:57 ] Bozo #2 > na goto nearest nuclear superstore
[ 2013.05.08 09:30:14 ] Jerk #1 > ok..will do :D
[ 2013.05.08 09:30:52 ] Bozo #2 > or you can get someone to cheat with ur wife, then SHE pays the divorce
[ 2013.05.08 09:31:25 ] Jerk #1 > i dont hate anybody that much though
[ 2013.05.08 09:31:43 ] Bozo #2 > *hopes no CCP dude is in chat* shutting it for now
[ 2013.05.08 09:32:06 ] Jerk #1 > huh?
[ 2013.05.08 09:33:13 ] Dropkick #3 > nah just add an apples ground up seeds to each of her meals for the next month.
[ 2013.05.08 09:33:49 ] Innocent Bystander 1 > This conversation has kinda taken a sick turn.
[ 2013.05.08 09:34:05 ] Not so innocent Bystander 2 > apple seeds ground up ?
[ 2013.05.08 09:34:13 ] Jerk #1 > lol...imm still listening though :)
[ 2013.05.08 09:34:35 ] Miranda Fluffbunny > what the hell?
[ 2013.05.08 09:34:45 ] Dropkick #3 > apple seeds have arsenic in them. it's persistant and builds up over time.
[ 2013.05.08 09:34:47 ] Jerk #1 > im going to kill my wife
[ 2013.05.08 09:35:09 ] Not so innocent Bystander 2 > nice try murcury lol
[ 2013.05.08 09:35:15 ] Not so innocent Bystander 2 > mercury
[ 2013.05.08 09:35:18 ] Dropkick #3 > I have thought about it but my wife is a black belt and will kick my arse!!
[ 2013.05.08 09:35:19 ] Jerk #1 > mercury
[ 2013.05.08 09:35:33 ] Jerk #1 > shoot her in the head then
[ 2013.05.08 09:35:40 ] Jerk #1 > apples cost more
[ 2013.05.08 09:35:44 ] Not so innocent Bystander 2 > my wife is great just nags a bit
[ 2013.05.08 09:35:51 ] Miranda Fluffbunny > this discussion is really not cool guys
[ 2013.05.08 09:36:07 ] Jerk #1 > sorry Miranda
[ 2013.05.08 09:36:28 ] Jerk #1 > Miranda Fluffbunny will you marry me?
[ 2013.05.08 09:37:14 ] Miranda Fluffbunny > I am already married but thanks for the offer.
[ 2013.05.08 09:37:36 ] Bozo #2 > /emote offers more
[ 2013.05.08 09:37:36 ] Jerk #1 > thats ok :D
[ 2013.05.08 09:38:00 ] Jerk #1 > i love you Miranda Fluffbunny

Then for the next fifteen or so minutes he proceeded to tell me how much he loved me and wanted to marry me. Roll
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#518 - 2013-06-13 09:38:27 UTC
That´s all? I have listened to conversations like this for decades, with both genders involved expressing their respective jaded remarks about the opposite sex.
Miranda Fluffbunny
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#519 - 2013-06-13 09:43:16 UTC
Maybelater Headache wrote:
That´s all? I have listened to conversations like this for decades, with both genders involved expressing their respective jaded remarks about the opposite sex.


I guess I have a soft upbringing then, because I don't know people who like to talk about the best method of killing their spouse, and if I did I would avoid them like the plague.
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#520 - 2013-06-13 09:48:15 UTC
Miranda Fluffbunny wrote:
Maybelater Headache wrote:
That´s all? I have listened to conversations like this for decades, with both genders involved expressing their respective jaded remarks about the opposite sex.


I guess I have a soft upbringing then, because I don't know people who like to talk about the best method of killing their spouse, and if I did I would avoid them like the plague.


I do not have the habit to take statements done by kids or dumb people too serious. This is referred to the chat log not to you.