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Kate Conner
Area 51 Industries
#1 - 2013-06-12 01:43:33 UTC
I know corp theft is allowed by CCP. I just had one question on the subject. If a CSM would be involved in a corp theft, not the toon itself but an alt. wouldnt it be in my best interrest and those of EVE players to know this person is not to be trusted?
DreznicK
OORt Cloud Research
The OORT Cloud
#2 - 2013-06-12 03:26:36 UTC  |  Edited by: DreznicK
Depends on how you look at it.

CSM is supposed to represent all aspects of EVE.
If a CSM was involved in corp theft, it could be considered a qualification.
You would also hope that this CSM member was also involved in high -sec ganking, awoxing, scamming, and all the other questionable parts of EVE to fill out their resume for the job.

CSM shouldn't be filled with all carebears or even all null sec players, there should be a mix.
And that means the darker side should also have representation.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2013-06-12 03:48:20 UTC
In-game character actions are separate from the out-of-game things the CSM does (see: bring ideas/complaints/concerns/etc. to CCP's attention and vet CCP's ideas).

I recall there being a stink about how some player who happened to be a CSM scammed a player a few years ago. No action (or rule) was taken.

How did you Veterans start?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#4 - 2013-06-12 08:17:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Kate Conner wrote:
I know corp theft is allowed by CCP. I just had one question on the subject. If a CSM would be involved in a corp theft, not the toon itself but an alt. wouldnt it be in my best interrest and those of EVE players to know this person is not to be trusted?
So we know it's allowed and even promoted, as a part of the game play of Eve. So why would I care if a CSM was involved in it?

Let me ask you this. Would you inform people if they took your queen in chess, or managed to buy all the expensive plots on monopoly? Somehow I doubt it.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kate Conner
Area 51 Industries
#5 - 2013-06-12 11:43:08 UTC
It more the fact that this CSM used the phrase ``why wouldnt you trust me im a CSM, I`m not allowed to take part in theft or scam, as I would lose my position``. I just find scam are getting a little complex when dealing with fairly new members and they take advantage of us. I don`t find that representing EVE community so well.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2013-06-12 12:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
CSM are Eve's version of politicians.

Politicians deliberately seek to obtain and hold on to power, and the person who wants power is the last person to whom it should be granted. Trust them only as far as you can throw them.

In short:
Politicians are twats. CSM are politicians. CSM are twats. QED.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#7 - 2013-06-12 15:55:52 UTC
Kate Conner wrote:
It more the fact that this CSM used the phrase ``why wouldnt you trust me im a CSM, I`m not allowed to take part in theft or scam, as I would lose my position``. I just find scam are getting a little complex when dealing with fairly new members and they take advantage of us. I don`t find that representing EVE community so well.


If a CSM member was using their CSM status as a badge meaning honesty and integrity, only to dupe the ignorant, I'd be rather perturbed with them. At the same time, it is completely allowed, and should stay that way.


Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-06-12 18:19:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Bi-Mi Lansatha
Kate Conner wrote:
It more the fact that this CSM used the phrase ``why wouldnt you trust me im a CSM, I`m not allowed to take part in theft or scam, as I would lose my position``. I just find scam are getting a little complex when dealing with fairly new members and they take advantage of us. I don`t find that representing EVE community so well.
Shocked

I expect each member of the CSM to act as players in game, but to use their CSM position to their advantage?
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-06-12 22:12:54 UTC
Kate Conner wrote:
I know corp theft is allowed by CCP. I just had one question on the subject. If a CSM would be involved in a corp theft, not the toon itself but an alt. wouldnt it be in my best interrest and those of EVE players to know this person is not to be trusted?



How do you know they were actually a CSM alt and not just someone pretending to be?
Kate Conner
Area 51 Industries
#10 - 2013-06-12 22:15:30 UTC
problem resolved, i showed him this forum and gave me back my assets in isk form. thanks all, for following on this.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-06-12 22:59:12 UTC
Kate Conner wrote:
problem resolved, i showed him this forum and gave me back my assets in isk form. thanks all, for following on this.



Who was it? By backing down like that, he's lost my vote next time.
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#12 - 2013-06-13 11:42:22 UTC
This belongs more in Jita Park than the Assembly Hall, so I am moving it there.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#13 - 2013-06-13 11:45:01 UTC
Kate Conner wrote:
I know corp theft is allowed by CCP. I just had one question on the subject. If a CSM would be involved in a corp theft, not the toon itself but an alt. wouldnt it be in my best interrest and those of EVE players to know this person is not to be trusted?


Sort Dragon tried to steal a whole coalition, I don't know if this counts?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-06-13 11:46:14 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Kate Conner wrote:
It more the fact that this CSM used the phrase ``why wouldnt you trust me im a CSM, I`m not allowed to take part in theft or scam, as I would lose my position``. I just find scam are getting a little complex when dealing with fairly new members and they take advantage of us. I don`t find that representing EVE community so well.
Shocked

I expect each member of the CSM to act as players in game, but to use their CSM position to their advantage?


"Politician" is a synonym for trustworthiness and financial responsibility, nowhere more so than in EVE.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-06-13 12:28:34 UTC
CSMs must abide by the TOS, EULA and NDA. As long as their activities fall within these boundaries, that's fine.

As for where those boundaries are in practice, I would suggest that you consult the acknowledged expert, The Mittani -- especially if you are in the market to buy or sell a supercap. I've heard he can be extremely obliging.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
None ofthe Above
#16 - 2013-06-13 17:38:07 UTC
Kate Conner wrote:
It more the fact that this CSM used the phrase ``why wouldnt you trust me im a CSM, I`m not allowed to take part in theft or scam, as I would lose my position``. I just find scam are getting a little complex when dealing with fairly new members and they take advantage of us. I don`t find that representing EVE community so well.


Well that was foolish. The Mittani used to scam like that all the time, as Chairman no less, as Trebor is sort of pointing out.

But otherwise I think you have it right in that you realize that they are not going to be kicked over it. Depending on the reputation this CSM member is trying to build, this may or may not be a blow to their future aspirations. Since they caved and gave you the ISK it would seem that this is someone purporting to be a "nice guy" and isn't so. Makes me more interested in hearing who this is really.

If Psychotic Monk had made it into the CSM and done this it would be a non-issue or a feather in the cap for him to crow about.



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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-06-13 21:07:51 UTC
At least one corp theft should be a mandatory requirement for CSM candidacy.

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-06-13 22:20:41 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
:o]I expect each member of the CSM to act as players in game, but to use their CSM position to their advantage?


The only "advantage" a CSM member would have in-game for anything like this is taking advantage of the right kind of mouthbreather who somehow knows about the CSM but believes they are bound to any kind of special rules beyond what any other player is. If you were trying to pick a motto for Eve, "Ignorance is no excuse" would definitely be up there.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Ali Aras
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#19 - 2013-06-13 22:52:07 UTC
Kate Conner wrote:
It more the fact that this CSM used the phrase ``why wouldnt you trust me im a CSM, I`m not allowed to take part in theft or scam, as I would lose my position``. I just find scam are getting a little complex when dealing with fairly new members and they take advantage of us. I don`t find that representing EVE community so well.

This is trivially verifiable via a search for information on the CSM (I'm partial to the EVE wiki page)-- while the NDA is featured prominently, that's pretty much the only restriction on CSM conduct. If you're wondering whether or not to trust someone or their claims, a quick visit to your favorite search provider is a helpful (although not infallible) tool.

As for this reflecting poorly on the EVE community...many of the big, popular stories about EVE involve some form of scamming, backstabbing, or other skulduggery. It sucks to lose your stuff (especially a lot of your stuff, especially as a new player), but you can rebuild and go out knowing that you won't fall for that particular one again, having learned a lesson about things which sound too good to be true.

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#20 - 2013-06-13 23:12:41 UTC
Anyone that doesn't gank, steal or scam shouldn't be allowed on the CSM.

The Tears Must Flow
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